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Inventory Runs => What you would like to see ran => : Schofield January 14, 2021, 11:34:44 AM

: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield January 14, 2021, 11:34:44 AM
Have a carcano that I would like to run these through. Anyone else interested?
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. January 15, 2021, 09:43:47 AM
It's a good mould design...

I believe that I may have bought the last mould that NOE had in stock back in November of 20.
My Swedish Mauser tends to like it... as an alternative for jacketed bullets in that caliber weight.

Unfortunately old Mother Hubbards Cupboard, is now apparently bare...
With the COVID mandates & apparent work restriction limitations in the area... it may be a while yet before the different cupboard shelves are filled up once again.

I do sincerely wish you luck in getting at least 4 more individuals to say that they want one... as it takes at least five requests to apparently put the mould design into consideration for  another production run on this mould design.

Take Care & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield January 15, 2021, 10:48:09 AM
Thanks for your well wishes. The options available for a 6.5 bullet that can work in a carcano are pretty bare atm. Hopefully with the import of carcano recently others will be interested in molds as well. Better to get the request in now and wait to see if anyone else is in the same boat.

I'd like to try this in my swedish mauser as well, never thought about it until you mentioned.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. January 15, 2021, 01:56:27 PM
Thought that the 6.5 Swedish Mauser reference might help.

The odds are at the moment that there are a lot more of the 6.5's out there... hungry to be fed... along with the Italian 6.5's ... that might have a need for that cast bullet design.

Hopefully there will also be some 6.5 x 55 Swedes wanting to join the pack... looking to belly up to the table... to be fed along with the Italian 6.5, that you mentioned, including the 6.5 x 50 Japanese Arisaka.

Might as well invite everyone one with an appropriate 6.5 caliber design... to the table... who's rifle might tend to show a dietary preference for a 160 + Grain bullet buffet... due to that particular 6.5 caliber design bullet weight appetite.

Take Care & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: OGC4 January 28, 2021, 07:10:51 PM
I will order one  :), any other 6.5 carcano molds recommended?
Thanks
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. January 29, 2021, 09:37:58 AM
I believe that is two of you that now are looking to ask for a new production run on this 6.5 MM 163 Gr RN.
You only need three more, & the forum moderator to note the I want requests to get the mould to be considered for a new production run.
BTW I tend to believe that you need to specify GC or PB and the number of cavities that you are looking to purchase...
Also if you are planning to push these cast faster than 1600 FPS, or PB if you intend to stay below that FPS limit... with traditional lube.
With powder coat that is another story all together.

Take Care, & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: TinCan February 06, 2021, 06:19:21 PM
I need to get my own Carcano slugged to make sure this is the right mold but besides that I'm willing to order this. Two more people to goooo

Edit: Also most likely looking for the GC version in any cavity amount.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor February 12, 2021, 08:18:15 AM
Have a carcano that I would like to run these through. Anyone else interested?

Yes, I am!  I just got an 1891 Carcano rifle yesterday and ammo for this is nearly unobtanium.  I had to pay a really high price to get a set of dies and I found some brass but bullets and molds I have struck out on so far.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. February 12, 2021, 07:43:21 PM
For all you new 6.5 Italian owners out there attached is the QuickDesign intel on your cartridge that you most probably will not have found on the internet... I plan to post this also on the other 6.5 offering if you are trying to raise support for a new mould run to fill the empty bins.
Remember if you are new to the forum & sign on with a request to purchase a mold to follow through with your request to purchase a mould down the line.

NOTE: I have QuickDesign and can basically do the same for you other 6.5 enthusiasts that QuickDesign has in its data inventory... in my opinion having Cartridge & Chamber intel is an important tool for doing your homework for your feeding your new acquisitions properly... what ever the caliber...

The website will unfortunately not allow me to post the full cartridge and chamber intel as it appears that the file is too large for the website to handle as an attachment...

It is what it is...
Enjoy.
Take Care, & Stay Safe
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield February 13, 2021, 12:37:45 PM
I would be looking for GC as well as many cavities as I can have. I'll settle for anything 2 and above. Glad to see we have interest in this mold, hopefully we can get one more interested person to get a run together.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor February 13, 2021, 03:24:33 PM
I would be looking for GC as well as many cavities as I can have. I'll settle for anything 2 and above. Glad to see we have interest in this mold, hopefully we can get one more interested person to get a run together.

I would be OK with GC or FB, and any number of cavities.  I just need something that makes suitable size bullets for a 6.5x52 Carcano.  The long round nose shape of the bullets from this mold design look like they would be well suited to my 1891 Carcano rifle.  I don't plan on loading hot, so > 1600fps isn't required, but GC would give me the option of going a little more than that if I wanted.  The larger number of cavities would reduce the work, so that's cool.  I'm good with Schofield's request.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor February 22, 2021, 08:34:43 PM
I would be looking for GC as well as many cavities as I can have. I'll settle for anything 2 and above. Glad to see we have interest in this mold, hopefully we can get one more interested person to get a run together.

I would be OK with GC or FB, and any number of cavities.  I just need something that makes suitable size bullets for a 6.5x52 Carcano.  The long round nose shape of the bullets from this mold design look like they would be well suited to my 1891 Carcano rifle.  I don't plan on loading hot, so > 1600fps isn't required, but GC would give me the option of going a little more than that if I wanted.  The larger number of cavities would reduce the work, so that's cool.  I'm good with Schofield's request.

A few questions...

One is can I use a bullet cast from the GC mold w/o a gas check?  Right now I can't find any 6.5mm gas checks in stock anywhere.  I'm assuming I can, just that w/o the check I will need to load below 1600fps.

Secondly, what else do I need besides the mold?  Handles?  Some kind of melting pot? Ladle?  Where to order lead and what kind is best to use?  I may be asking on the wrong place, my apologies if so.

Third --  do I need to place an advance order for one of these to get this process going?  What do I need to do?


: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. February 22, 2021, 11:12:12 PM
One is can I use a bullet cast from the GC mold w/o a gas check?  Right now I can't find any 6.5mm gas checks in stock anywhere.  I'm assuming I can, just that w/o the check I will need to load below 1600fps.
Secondly, what else do I need besides the mold?  Handles?  Some kind of melting pot? Ladle?  Where to order lead and what kind is best to use?  I may be asking on the wrong place, my apologies if so.
Third --  do I need to place an advance order for one of these to get this process going?  What do I need to do?

One could potentially assume that the cast bullet if held below 1600 FPS would basically act as a boat tailed bullet... that is with traditional lubes. Those lubes would have to be subsequently cleaned off of a traditional cast bullet... or the lube would react with the powder, & tend to cause misfires... With Powder Coat the non GC'ed GC cast bullet would tend to act more like a jacketed bullet...  make sure that your cast bullet shanks are completely filled and not rounded, or you will not be at all happy with the accuracy...

Your call on that...

Handles. Yes, you will need mould handles... unless you intend to invest in an automatic casting machine... Then you will need the appropriate adapters for that automatic casting machine...
NOE does make handles. Where NOE is allowing back orders placing them will most probably help in getting your product in the production line sooner than later... It is basically the same as the what you want to see rerun... If you stay silent and only look on in the hope that the bucket or in this case the bin will magically fill then you may have a long wait coming...

Here is the link to that NOE web page in regard to mould handles...

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/mould-handles/mould-handles/

Your call on that...
A ladle too to help stir the pot to make sure that if you are using a lead alloy that the tin has not risen to the top and needs to be fluxed back into the mix... even for pure lead it can come in handy

I tend to have several pots setup with different alloys to pour either pure lead or an alloy depending on my need for a particular cast product... and purpose...

Before we have a discussion over bottom pour pots vs ladle pour pots... Please let me say this...

Any of the commercial bottom pour lead pots that are out there will do the job nicely.  Personally I like a good bottom pour pot as it can be made to act like a giant ladle...
So one gets the best of both worlds depending on whether you end up putting the mould on a mould guide & pouring from a short distance or end up putting the mould up against the bottom pour spout and use the lead pot as a giant ladle to try to help fill out the bottom edge of the casting that is just under the sprue plate...

Lee makes a good product...  The size of a bottom pour lead pot will basically be determined on how many cast bullets that you want to make at one sitting and how often you plan to fill the lead pot with ingots...
A whole lot depends on what you financial situation is, & how many bells and whistles your pocket book can afford...

If you get the drip drip syndrome just adjust the screw on the pot to make the pour a tiny bit slower...

I also tend to put one of my ingot moulds under the mould guide to catch any of those slower frequency drips...

Back when I started casting decades ago my wallet was not as fat as it currently is now... So one had to make due with what one could afford and then get modified as needed as the need arose...

Mine have basically never worn out so again the lead pot controversy is really what ever floats your boat and that you feel makes good product...

Your call on that...

As far as lead goes that is really an individual preference... there are a lot of sources for cast lead out here still available either pure or almost pure if you intend to go with HPs and push them properly to get them to expand, or with a harder lead alloy... if that tends to better float you boat... & you in the future might have a non HP mould design... that you might wish to push a lot harder down the line... in the future...

I would add an ingot mold or two to your wish list... as the lead product that you will purchase will most probably be in larger and heavier cast bullet weights... You may find that having your chosen alloy or alloy types in one pound ingots will be handier down the line when you have to replenish your hungry pots lead appetite.

Your call on that...

Be aware that with pure lead... your final cast product will end up weighing more than the NOE cast weight that is listed on the NOE bullet sketches. With pure lead it will also be a tiny bit smaller in diameter as pure lead not having the tin will tend to shrink more as it cools... than a tin alloyed lead product will...

Conversely... a lead alloy that contains tin will be slightly lighter in final cast bullet weight and will be a bit larger in diameter as tin tends to weigh less than lead and also tends to shrink less when mixed as a lead alloy... As Archimedes found out when he sat in down in his bath tub... It will also make a harder cast bullet...

Finally powder coat does tend to add a bit of thickness to the end product while traditional lubes do not...
So the choice of cast bullet mould diameters might need to be taken into consideration when choosing a mould design... Also do your homework on your cartridge's freebore design...

Remember that the traditional mould designs that have been copied were originally designed when powder coat was not even a glimmer in the mould casters eye... & traditional lubes were the only game in town.

Smokeless powder was just beginning to become available to the civilian market...  a lot of the original cast bullets and cartridges were named so that the civilians who reloaded, & only had holy black would know how much of that available product would be needed... 30-30 was an example of that... There are a whole lot of other cartridges that evolved in that time period... that were so named... So take the time to explore the history of the cartridges that you currently intend to reload and of those that you are considering down the line...

Enough said before each one of your questions sparks a controversy over each of the process steps...  which tend to be nearest and dearest in each cast bullet makers heart...

No one is right or wrong... It basically will tend to work out for you that which ever process you feel makes the best product will be the one that you finally settle on for that particular bullet mould...

Each of your questions is an article or a complete, & lengthy discussion on the pros and cons of each step in the process depending on the individual who found what worked in that individuals case...

Nuff Said... Take Care & Stay Safe...






 
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. February 23, 2021, 09:42:40 AM
Not that it matters...  but I found at least 4000 of the 6.5 mm GCs currently available at one of the GC manufacturers that I know & have dealt with in the past. This AM...
I just typed in 6.5 mm GC for sale on the general search page, & first source at the top of the page had ~ 4000 in stock at that instant in time...
Just thought that you all should know... Personally I would rather have the GC's on a GC cast bullet version... than not... rather than try to make boat tails - minus those GCs.... Otherwise if I was just beginning... to cast for a given cartridge...
I would... down the line... save up & look to buy a PB version, or purchase another GC, if it was to become available... & then have it made into a PB... by a machinist that I trusted to do the work...
But then that is just me...

Your call on that... Take Care, & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor February 23, 2021, 10:38:48 PM
Thanks for the info!  Very helpful!
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor February 25, 2021, 10:23:00 AM
Thanks for the info!  Very helpful!

With Mike B's help I was able to order 6.5mm gas checks.  I tried to order this mold:

269-163-RN-W6 5 cavity GC

But the store site wouldn't let me and I couldn't figure out a way to place a back order.  I'm pretty sure that is the mold I want, and I think the original poster here would also.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. February 25, 2021, 11:11:41 AM
You go to the What you would like to see ran... as you just did... & post as you have 269-163-RN-W6 that you want that mould in which ever version that most warms the cockles of your heart... under that topic...

I figure that there are now at least three or more of those new to casting and have military 6.5's of some sort out there that want the 269-163-RN GC in one form or another.

Hopefully now one or more of the NOE forum moderators will pick up the string of mould requests for this mould & compile them to let Al know that there is growing interest in that 6.5 caliber bullet mould...

Traditionally there has been a requirement for five separate individuals requesting a mould that is out of stock to get said mould to be considered to be put on the production list for a new run...

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/264-6-5mm/269-163-rn-w6/

If you are interested in this mould and basically new to the NOE forum then sign in and put in your request... in the form of an I want on the forum string... 

Remember that it in the past has taken at least five requests... Otherwise if you stay silent then you may possibly have a very long wait...

Also you should know that if you make the request then please follow through when the mould becomes available once again... Otherwise that system may go away if you just post and then do not follow through on your request later on...

Gentlemen I truly wish you good luck.... I like this particular mould and have used mine for years on various military 6.5's...

Take Care, & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor February 25, 2021, 11:43:19 AM
Thanks again Mike B!  I agree it looks like we have at least 3 people who want the 269-163-RN-W6 mold.  I would also like to order the handles and probably even the melting pot and the tools for installing the gas checks from NOE if they were available for order.  I hope the moderator or someone from NOE takes note of this and we get a production run soon.

If I am successful at casting these bullets I will probably want to get molds for doing a few other calibers like .38 Colt, .44 Russian, .45 Colt, maybe .32 S&W/.32 S&W Long, .38 Special and .45 ACP too.

I've been shooting commercially cast lead bullets for most of those already so no reason I shouldn't cast my own, the latter two I normally use plated bullets (like Berry's) but there is no reason for light target loads I can't forgo the plating, just maybe a little more cleanup.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield February 26, 2021, 12:06:42 PM
You've nailed the exact mold that I would like to have made. Hopefully we can get some traction to get a production run started.

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor March 01, 2021, 10:51:00 AM
You've nailed the exact mold that I would like to have made. Hopefully we can get some traction to get a production run started.

Cool.  I hope we can get on the list.  From what Mike B said we probably just need to get a couple more people to express serious interest.

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Sigma March 26, 2021, 03:28:05 PM
I really want to get my hands on one of these 269-163-RN-W6 molds.
Hope we can get enough interest to get a production run going.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor March 29, 2021, 08:52:45 AM
I really want to get my hands on one of these 269-163-RN-W6 molds.
Hope we can get enough interest to get a production run going.

By my count you are #4 that is interested.  If rumors are true, 5 is the number we need to be considered for a production run.  I hope we get there soon.  I now have pretty much everything else I need to load some 6.5x52 Carcano except the bullet mold...

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. March 29, 2021, 04:58:32 PM
Shall we be bold & test the NOE posted requirements for what you would like to see ran... then?
To help with priming the pump I have included my input request for some of the moulds that I have been tracking that others are also apparently interested in that I would like to augment my inventory with.
Unfortunately the 460-315-RF is still a couple of moulds short of the 5 required...
It is what it is...
Attached is what I believe the count is for those three what you would like to see ran email strings...
Take Care, & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield April 02, 2021, 08:53:41 AM
Glad to see you help our cause Mike to get this mold in production. I'm down for any number of cavities, the higher the better. GC and a Teflon sprue plate. Hopefully we have enough interest now to get the attention of the powers that be to get a production run started.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 02, 2021, 09:55:44 AM
Glad to see you help our cause Mike to get this mold in production. I'm down for any number of cavities, the higher the better. GC and a Teflon sprue plate. Hopefully we have enough interest now to get the attention of the powers that be to get a production run started.

I also would like the GC base, any number of cavities and I'm OK with Teflon sprue plate.  I was able to buy some gas checks from the place that MikeB recommended.  I got a Lee Production Pot IV 20lb 110V the other day as well as a Lyman ladle and some other stuff.  I got 10lbs of lead ingots and Lee Liquid Alox and some powder coat to try...  All I need now is the mold.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: kermode1022 April 09, 2021, 01:36:04 PM
Schofield,

As per my reply on CGN, I'd like to join in the buy!

2 cavity GC Aluminum is my preference.  I haven't tried a Teflon sprue plate on my other Noe molds, but could give it a whirl.

Thanks
kermode1022
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield April 09, 2021, 04:05:16 PM
Mike, as the resident expert now that we officially have 5 separate individuals interested in a production run or molds what's the next step to get this request into the active inventory run?
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 09, 2021, 08:14:58 PM
Schofield...

One of the forum administrators or Al now need to join the thread to help you to move the forum string to where Al wants to put the string... now that there are at least 5 individuals requesting a new mould run.

OBTW By my count is that we are actually six not five...

Cornmastah is a forum administrator... maybe he will join in now and direct you... If not you may need to PM him & get your instructions from him since you started the forum email string... You are the only one who can move the string besides a forum administrator...

Normally by now this should have happened if history is to repeat itself... and nothing has changed at NOE...

Here is what I show are the forum members that have said that they wanted the mould in question...

You might have to contact the individuals in question by Personal Message who did not specify what they wanted & just said that they were interested and get their specifics to update the list below...

As for me... my preference has not changed... & is shown below...

Description: 269-163-RN-W6

1.  Schofield                269-163-RN-W6 Cavities ? ? ?
2.  OGC4                     269-163-RN-W6 Cavities ? ? ?
3.  Tin Can                  269-163-RN-W6 Cavities ? ? ?   
4.  Softwarejanitor       269-163-RN-W6 Cavities ? ? ?
5.  Mike B.                   269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate
6.  kermode1022          269-163-RN-W6. 2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: dromia April 09, 2021, 09:00:01 PM
I have drawn Al's attention to this thread request.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 09, 2021, 09:06:54 PM
Thank You
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield April 10, 2021, 04:26:15 AM
Thank Mike, I can definitely start to message interested members to gather their details. Once the run is a go I can move the thread to the active run section of the forum. Hopefully we will be able to get the run into the production schedule soon.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: matthunt101 April 10, 2021, 06:34:41 PM
I'm in for a 6 cav GC model as well. :)
I'm not fussy though so long as it's at least 2 cav I'm in.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 10, 2021, 08:19:15 PM
To my knowledge NOE has never made a 6 cavity mould...
That would be the L word... that is not normally used on the forum...
To aid everyone in choosing what they want I have taken a screen shot of the 269-163 offerings that are still listed as sold out in the NOE store site...


Description: 269-163-RN-W6

1.  Schofield        269-163-RN-W6 Cavities ? ? ?
2.  OGC4             269-163-RN-W6 Cavities ? ? ?
3.  Tin Can           269-163-RN-W6 Cavities ? ? ?   
4.  Softwarejanitor   269-163-RN-W6 Cavities ? ? ?
5.  Mike B.                 269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate
6. kermode1022         269-163-RN-W6 2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
7. matthunt101          269-163-RN-W6
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: matthunt101 April 10, 2021, 08:41:34 PM
To my knowledge NOE has never made a 6 cavity mould...
That would be the L word... that is not normally used on the forum...
To aid everyone in choosing what they want I have taken a screen shot of the 269-163 offerings that are still listed as sold out in the NOE store site...


Description: 269-163-RN-W6

1.  Schofield        269-163-RN-W6 Cavities ? ? ?
2.  OCG4             269-163-RN-W6 Cavities ? ? ?
3.  Tin Can           269-163-RN-W6 Cavities ? ? ?   
4.  Softwarejanitor   269-163-RN-W6 Cavities ? ? ?
5.  Mike B.                 269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate
6. kermode1022         269-163-RN-W6 2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
7. matthunt101          269-163-RN-W6

5 Cav is fine with me. Or whatever the majority decides.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 10, 2021, 08:55:42 PM
matthunt101

Most probably Al will run what we specifically request... based on what NOE still shows at the store as sold out offerings...
That may be why he has not specifically responded to this forum string as of this instant in time...
I will list you as a 5 cavity GC request ... at the moment... if that is ok with you...
Schofield may be contacting you and the others via PM to confirm the purchase commitment for the forum string & Al...

Take Care & Stay Safe...

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 11, 2021, 01:59:10 PM
Thank You

Ditto!

Looking forward to it!
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield April 11, 2021, 05:25:36 PM
I am in for a 5 cavity GC mold with a teflon plate.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 11, 2021, 06:31:39 PM
Inventory Run Request List updated  4-11-2021
                                 
                 Description: 269-163-RN-W6

1.  Schofield                              269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2.  OGC4                                   269-163-RN-W6  Cavities
3.  Tin Can                                 269-163-RN-W6  Cavities
4.  Softwarejanitor                     269-163-RN-W6  Cavities 
5.  Mike B.                                 269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate
6. kermode1022                        269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
7. matthunt101                          269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 12, 2021, 05:59:43 AM
I'm OK with 2 or 5 cavities, but I'd like the GC base, because I bought gas checks.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 12, 2021, 07:39:02 AM
Inventory Run Request List updated  4-12-2021
                                 
                 Description: 269-163-RN-W6

1.  Schofield                              269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2.  OGC4                                   269-163-RN-W6  Cavities
3.  Tin Can                                 269-163-RN-W6  Cavities
4.  Softwarejanitor                     269-163-RN-W6  2 or 5 Cav GC
5.  Mike B.                                 269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate
6. kermode1022                        269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
7. matthunt101                          269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 14, 2021, 04:24:14 PM
Inventory Run Request List updated  4-12-2021
                                 
                 Description: 269-163-RN-W6

1.  Schofield                              269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2.  OCG4                                   269-163-RN-W6  Cavities
3.  Tin Can                                 269-163-RN-W6  Cavities
4.  Softwarejanitor                     269-163-RN-W6  2 or 5 Cav GC
5.  Mike B.                                 269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate
6. kermode1022                        269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
7. matthunt101                          269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC

When do you think we might get an acknowledgement and how long does it usually take for a run to be completed and orderable?  What is the process for people to get in on it?
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 14, 2021, 06:03:06 PM
softwarejanitor

dromia
Administrator
Hero Member

Re: 269-163-RN-W6
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2021, 13:00:01 »
Quote
I have drawn Al's attention to this thread request.

Why exactly Al has not replied I cannot say...

Maybe dromia or cornmastah will post again when we might hear from Al once again.

The following is from Al posted on May 28th 2014

HOW WE RUN OUR BUYS

Group Buys generally start in the "Group Buy Discussion" section
New buys are posted to see what the interest is and start to get a idea of what
kind of orders can be expected. This is also the time that any design changes can
be discussed and made.

After a buy has shown enough interest It is moved from the "Group Buy Discussion"
section to the "Active Group Buy" section. This is were you place your order and can
check on the progress. When a buy gets 10 orders, tooling is ordered and it is
scheduled to go to the shop. Tooling generally takes a week to 10 days.
At this time a last call is issued too. As soon as the tooling is "in house" the buy is
ran and it is moved to the "Closed Group Buys" section. We try to do this within a
week of getting the tooling.

As soon as a buy comes off the mill it is posted on our website and a PM is sent with
ordering instruction  and a discount code. We are now offering a 15% discount on
group buys through our forum.   

If a buy does not get 10 orders or it takes longer than 6 months to get 10 orders
it will be evaluated at that time and either will be closed or ran with a additional
cover charge.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2014, 04:37:57 by SwedeNelson »


Much beyond that I cannot say...
In the last month or so... I do not seem able to get Al personally to respond to my query via email or on the forum since the second round of COVID shutdowns in early 2021...

Unfortunately all we as forum members can do at the moment is wait for Al or one of the forum administrators who have Al's ear to respond....

Also we still have OGC4, & Tin Can have not responded as to the specifics of their cavity request .

HOW WE RUN OUR INVENTORY BUYS

SwedeNelson
Administrator
Hero Member

Bullet maker, maker
Inventory Buys start in the "What you would like to see ran" section
Moulds that are listed in inventory but out of stock are posted to see what the interest
is and start to get a idea of what kind of orders can be expected.
We still reserve the right to run any inventory item at any time - and this does not make
the item eligible for any kind of a discount at this time.
 
After a item has shown enough interest It is moved from the "What you would like to see ran"
section to the "Active Inventory Buy" section. This is were you place your order and can
check on the progress. When a buy gets 5 orders, it is scheduled to go to the shop.
At this time a last call is issued too. As soon as we can get it worked in to the schedule the buy is
ran and it is moved to the "Closed Inventory Buys" section. We try to do this in a timely manner.

As soon as a run comes off the mill it is posted on our website and a PM is sent with
ordering instruction  and a discount code. We offer a 15% discount on inventory runs through
our forum.   

If a run does not get 5 orders or it takes longer than 6 months to get 5 orders
it will be evaluated at that time and either will be closed or extended another 6 months.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2017, 09:59:12 by cornmastah »
Since no one to my knowledge has mentioned brass one can only surmise that all of the mould requests are aluminum...

Take Care & Stay Safe...

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 15, 2021, 12:54:51 PM
Thanks for the info MikeB.  I guess we just gotta be patient.  This whole covid mess stinks.  I hate it.  I didn't know brass was an option, but aluminum is fine by me.  Seems like that is what most molds are made of.  I'm not sure if there is a way to ping those two others to see what their preferences are.  Hopefully they will circle back to respond.

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 15, 2021, 01:00:30 PM
I can change your request to brass if you want at this point and update the list...
Your call...

As to the other two members OGC4 & TinCan, Schofield or you can PM them by going to the personal message forum and typing their forum names in...
I normally copy myself on any PMs also
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: selair_chapman April 16, 2021, 12:17:19 AM
I will throw my money at this for sure. I am looking to cast for 6.5 carcano. My pref is as many cavities as possible. Aluminum is fine. Gas checked for sure. I use wheel weights and powder coat and gas check.
Cheers!
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 16, 2021, 12:27:36 AM
List updated
Now we just need to get a readout from NOE & or the forum administrators on this forum thread... for the newer forum members. 

Also I just noticed that Sigma posted a request to join the forum thread that I originally missed in the first pass to make up the listing...
So I have just amended the mould run request list accordingly to add his name to the thread... to try to put into a more timely set of order requests that the molds were originally requested.

So now there are three that hopefully will post more details on what they want so that Al can potentially have a better idea what to run and once run is already sold...

Description: 269-163-RN-W6

1.  Schofield               Alum     269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2.  OGC4                    Alum     269-163-RN-W6  Cavities PB or GC ?
3.  TinCan                   Alum     269-163-RN-W6  Cavities PB or GC ?
4.  Softwarejanitor      Alum     269-163-RN-W6  2 or 5 Cav GC 
5.  Sigma                      ?         269-163-RN- W6  Cavities PB or GC ?
6.  Mike B.                  Alum     269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate
7.  kermode1022        Alum     269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
8.  matthunt101          Alum     269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC
9.  selair_chapman     Alum     369-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC
     
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 16, 2021, 09:25:09 AM
I can change your request to brass if you want at this point and update the list...
Your call...

As to the other two members OGC4 & TinCan, Schofield or you can PM them by going to the personal message forum and typing their forum names in...
I normally copy myself on any PMs also

I think I would prefer aluminum.  That seems to be the standard.  I have no reason to prefer brass.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: selair_chapman April 16, 2021, 09:36:09 AM
Description: 269-163-RN-W6

1.  Schofield               Alum     269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2.  OGC4                    Alum     269-163-RN-W6  Cavities PB or GC ?
3.  TinCan                   Alum     269-163-RN-W6  Cavities PB or GC ?
4.  Softwarejanitor      Alum     269-163-RN-W6  2 or 5 Cav GC 
5.  Sigma                      ?         269-163-RN- W6  Cavities PB or GC ?
6.  Mike B.                  Alum     269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate
7.  kermode1022        Alum     269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
8.  matthunt101          Alum     269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC
9.  selair_chapman     Alum     369-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC
   

Just confirming I am in for 269. My poor little carcano is scared of 369  :o
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 16, 2021, 10:51:59 AM
Thanks for catching that...

I have corrected that faus pas... with regard to my index finger's spelling error...
I was thinking about the three individuals who we need to hear from in regard to fleshing out their mould requests with specifics... and my finger typed a three instead of a two...

It is good that at least you are checking the replies to keep me honest...

That being said ... Here is that list once again...

Description: 269-163-RN-W6

1.  Schofield               Alum     269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2.  OGC4                    Alum     269-163-RN-W6  Cavities PB or GC ?
3.  TinCan                   Alum     269-163-RN-W6  Cavities PB or GC ?
4.  Softwarejanitor      Alum     269-163-RN-W6  2 or 5 Cav GC
5.  Sigma                      ?         269-163-RN-W6  Cavities PB or GC ?
6.  Mike B.                  Alum     269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate
7.  kermode1022        Alum     269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
8.  matthunt101          Alum     269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC
9.  selair_chapman     Alum     269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC


: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: selair_chapman April 16, 2021, 02:10:23 PM
Many thanks! I was half joking of course, but appreciate the update!
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield April 16, 2021, 06:28:04 PM
Mike I forgot in all of this but would this production run include the top punch as well? I will need the lyman sizer compatible top punch. As i'm in the market for a better lead melter than my 10 lbs lee pot, do you know of any that have better temperature control?
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 16, 2021, 07:36:00 PM
The current 269-163-RN mould inventory still shows one Lyman TP in stock...

I can update the list to show that you want a TP, but I imagine that the a new inventory run would quite possibly also include TPs... After all you cannot properly finish the job without using TP.

Your call on adding it... at this point in the game... to your request ...

Personally i've never needed more than an inexpensive melting pot... A whole lot of heat near by tends to need a good bit of thermal protection for the electronic circuitry not to be cooked, or have its electronic life shortened by a continued high temperature source near by...

I have several 20 pound basic lead pots... and have them setup to dispense different alloys that range from pure lead for holy black to hard ball for those cast bullets who might need a bit of antimony in their mix...

If you feel that you need more bells and whistles then go for it... I am not really the one to ask about fancy bells and whistles...

Your call on the fancy electronic temperature controls...  Personally I have never had a pot with an electronic control... But then ... that is just me... just something else to have to watch and that can thermally fail ... or have its life shortened...

You can specify a hole to be drilled for a thermal probe when you order on the normal mould order web page and that will be drilled for you prior to its shipment to you...
If we ever get this inventory run request onto the launch pad & into liftoff mode...

Sometimes if I am worried about getting a mould too hot I have a second similar mold that can trade off, or that is different enough to allow me to differentiate its cast offspring...

NOE has a Temperature page at the store site... that you might want to look into... if you never have been surfing at the NOE store...

Personally the following link to measuring lead temperature has been enough for me..
But then I am more of a basic sort when it comes to lead casting... and have even cast a bullet or two with an iron pot over a fire in my early mountain man days...

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/melting-pots-and-related/thermometers/lead-pot-thermometer-5-stem/

Also personally I tend to start with the lead pot full and limit my casting runs to an hour or two. With a four or five cavity mould that is a whole lot of cast bullets at the end of that time... I have a rather large ladle with a long handle that I dump the excess that the sprue plate cuttings into... that tends to slow me down enough to keep the mould from getting too hot and every so often I add those cuttings back into the pot to keep the lead temperature more on an even keel...

Boy... I can hear the other casters now when they read my last... sentence...
However it works for me, & floats my lead boat... so don't knock it... and I won't knock your casting peculiarities...  But I digress...

NOE has... from what the store inventory says is 97 of the basic lead thermometers in stock...

Your call on how you want to control the temperature of your particular alloy as each alloy tends to melt and become liquid depending on the amount of tin and antimony in the mix... so one mans setting for an alloy may not be the next mans setting if the alloy mix changes to any extent... just as one mans meat is another mans poison...

Take Care, & Stay Safe...




: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: selair_chapman April 21, 2021, 01:10:23 PM
My plan is to crimp the g/c's on with a .268 sizing die. I imagine most here requesting g/c's would be doing something similar. Does NOE make these? I have a standard Lee press and typically use the lee punch through sizing kits.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 21, 2021, 07:56:20 PM
My plan is to crimp the g/c's on with a .268 sizing die. I imagine most here requesting g/c's would be doing something similar. Does NOE make these? I have a standard Lee press and typically use the lee punch through sizing kits.

Getting a Lee sizing die kit in .268 may be a problem.  Even the common calibers are back ordered to ridiculous extents.  I got a .358, a .356 and a .452, but I had to pay ridiculously over Lee's MSRP on eBay to get them.  Everywhere else is OOS and usually no backorder available.

I also have a couple Lee presses, Classic Cast, Challenger, Turret, etc.

I'd love for a .269 sizer die for crimping my GCs, but I have no faith I will be able to find them, so I will probably end up having to improvise something else.


: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 21, 2021, 08:55:01 PM
Gentlemen

Personally I use one of my commercial lubrisizers to initially set & crimp on the gas checks prior to the lubing step lately.

I find doing it that way lets me concentrate on each individual step in the process.

Being old school I personally do not tend to powder coat... but then that is just me...

You are probably going to find I believe that you will need to seat those GCs by running them through the press base first... rather than nose first in order to do them quickly and to get them on straight...

That normally entails mounting the press mfg that you commented on upside down vs the normal right side up view of things...

In some instances I do use the NOE Nose and Base sizers as I have those also in most of the sizing .001 step sizing diameters...

The current lack of NOE die bodies in stock has also prevented me from commenting on that method of GC installation as the alternate method of GC installation using the NOE sizing tooling and the appropriate body tooling... as one needs the whole package to be effective in that method of GC application... or sizing as there is not an option to back order that item at the NOE store...

The one bright spot in all of this is that NOE just updated its store inventory a day or two ago to include 50 plus of the top punch holders. So maybe that is a ray of sunshine here... in that department...

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/sizing-tools/bushing-push-through-size-die/die-body-replacement-parts/top-punch-holder/

It is basically why I did not comment earlier as you mentioned you wanted instruction for installing GCs using a lee press which is not the way that I normally do it... but it can be done via that method also...

If you plan to using one of the name brand lubrisizers to lube and or final size... PM me and I will put you onto a source that I just checked when I read this latest comment that has both sizes in stock .268 & .269 among others in stock... Plus they tend to also make their own duplicates for the major brands of lubrisizing equipment...

However it is not the particular brand of equipment that you both have been discussing...

The reason that I do not post alternate brands or other mfg sources on the forum for me is a courtesy to the manufacturer whose forum we are utilizing... Please understand that you both are free to post as you please...

I sincerely hope that you both understand...

Have you thought about aluminum GCs or are you both married to the Copper versions...

Aluminum is softer than copper and can also be made and stocked quite readily. 

No not by me...

We can also talk privately about that via PM...

Take Care, & Stay Safe...



 
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6 GC
: Mike B. April 22, 2021, 02:38:08 AM
Gentlemen
Maybe the attached GC intel will help you down the line with the intel on the external and internal dimensions of gas checks...
Take Care , & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 22, 2021, 12:38:02 PM
Gentlemen

Personally I use one of my commercial lubrisizers to initially set & crimp on the gas checks prior to the lubing step lately.

I find doing it that way lets me concentrate on each individual step in the process.

Being old school I personally do not tend to powder coat... but then that is just me...

I'm new to all this.  I am going to try powder coating to see how it works.  I bought a sampler pack of powder coat colors, some black airsoft pellets, a couple small plastic containers, a cheap toaster oven and some non-stick aluminum foil.  I think that is pretty much everything I need.  My original plan had been to use Liquid Alox tumbling to lube bullets.  It was suggested to me that was very messy and I should try the powder coating.

You are probably going to find I believe that you will need to seat those GCs by running them through the press base first... rather than nose first in order to do them quickly and to get them on straight...

That normally entails mounting the press mfg that you commented on upside down vs the normal right side up view of things...

In some instances I do use the NOE Nose and Base sizers as I have those also in most of the sizing .001 step sizing diameters...

The current lack of NOE die bodies in stock has also prevented me from commenting on that method of GC installation as the alternate method of GC installation using the NOE sizing tooling and the appropriate body tooling... as one needs the whole package to be effective in that method of GC application... or sizing as there is not an option to back order that item at the NOE store...

The one bright spot in all of this is that NOE just updated its store inventory a day or two ago to include 50 plus of the top punch holders. So maybe that is a ray of sunshine here... in that department...

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/sizing-tools/bushing-push-through-size-die/die-body-replacement-parts/top-punch-holder/

It is basically why I did not comment earlier as you mentioned you wanted instruction for installing GCs using a lee press which is not the way that I normally do it... but it can be done via that method also...

If you plan to using one of the name brand lubrisizers to lube and or final size... PM me and I will put you onto a source that I just checked when I read this latest comment that has both sizes in stock .268 & .269 among others in stock... Plus they tend to also make their own duplicates for the major brands of lubrisizing equipment...

However it is not the particular brand of equipment that you both have been discussing...

The reason that I do not post alternate brands or other mfg sources on the forum for me is a courtesy to the manufacturer whose forum we are utilizing... Please understand that you both are free to post as you please...[

I sincerely hope that you both understand...

As I said, I'm new to this, and I am not really even sure what all NOE offers.  When I was searching here, most of what I would want to get was out of stock, so I've had to do a lot of searching to find anything.  Sadly that is the way it is with almost any firearms related supplies, parts, tools and equipment right now.  I've used a lot of the brand which I had been talking about before for years so I am familiar with them.  I know that a lot of people don't like some or all of their products or the company in general.

Have you thought about aluminum GCs or are you both married to the Copper versions...

I bought 500 of the copper 6.5mm gas checks from the place you recommended to me in PM, so I expect not to need more any for a while.

Aluminum is softer than copper and can also be made and stocked quite readily. 

No not by me...

We can also talk privately about that via PM...

I may be interested in learning how to make my own GCs for other calibers though.  I'm planning on casting for .358 and .430 for cartridges like .357 Mag and .44 Mag which a GC might be beneficial or even necessary for full power loads.  But that is probably a ways down the line.  My first attempts will most likely be used for lighter target loads.  I'd need to get molds that were for GC instead of FB to do that anyway.

Take Care, & Stay Safe...

You've really been a lot of help for a newb to bullet casting like me.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 22, 2021, 06:40:52 PM
In anticipation of potentially seeing the out of stock body dies becoming an in stock item... In the very near future...

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/sizing-tools/bushings/264cal-bushings/264cal-269-body-bushing-b269/

The above is a link to an NOE .269 body die...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 22, 2021, 08:44:41 PM
In anticipation of potentially seeing the out of stock body dies becoming an in stock item... In the very near future...

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/sizing-tools/bushings/264cal-bushings/264cal-269-body-bushing-b269/

The above is a link to an NOE .269 body die...

So how does that work?  What other parts do  you need?  Bushing, pushrod and die body?  Or is there more to it than that?
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 22, 2021, 09:29:20 PM
You basically need the proper sizing kit, & the specific Body and Nose sizers depending on what exactly on your cast bullets that you wish to size... Powder coating you will find tends to add at least .002 in thickness to the diameter ... more depending on how thick the coating is as you get familiar with that process...

So you may just have to also size after powder coating to get back to the final diameter that you plan to seat into your cartridge case...

You may find that you will only be able to do 25 or 30 cast bullets at a time in a baking batch... so that the batch does not end up drying and gluing your cast product together... with dried powder coat... you see you also do not want the powder coated bullets to touch each other when you are getting ready to bake in your toaster oven...

NOE has a whole plethora of sizing kits including a push rod for each of the kit diameters.

NOTE: The Push rod needed...needs to be smaller than the smallest body diameter that you plan to push through... said body sizing die... so try not to skimp on those, push rods... & do not try to use a push rod on a smaller diameter kit body sizing die ... than what is listed under as the smallest body diameter listed on that sizing kit page... otherwise you may end up with the push rod stuck in the body sizing die as it is meant to pass completely through said sizing die when you are sizing your cast bullet...

Here is the link to the 6.5 MM sizing kit.

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/sizing-tools/sizing_kits/264-caliber-sizers/

If you plan other diameters once you are on the 264 page just click on the sizing tools... the page that comes up should show the links to the other sizing kit pages... as they are labeled like 22 and 22 air... etc... as examples...

Hopefully the die bodies will be included in a production run in the near future... so that the complete sizing kits can be ordered at one time... as you may find at the moment that all of the body dies show out of stock ... with no backorder option currently listed...

Also the attachment with more sizing dies that may not be necessarily the most popular but do indeed have their uses...are listed in the same separate area that the .269 link will take you to...

The new store website has apparently split the up some of the sizing components up and listed those items elsewhere. ... It is what it is...

So it now may potentially take a bit more time to find everything that you need once you explore this attached link, & the one that I put on the forum that linked you to the .269 body bushing... depending on what specifically that you are looking for in sizing components...

NOE used to have a link to their sizing die instructions in how to use the NOE kits that unfortunately I cannot find any more...

NOE PM's unfortunately do not allow attachments.

The original NOE PDF file that I copied way back when is Unfortunately too large to be able to attach said document here on the forum... and I do not have permission to upload large PDFs ...

So email intel via PM is the only way at the moment to get those original NOE sizing die assembly & use instructions to those who may be interested in the pdf copy that I made way back when... that intel was more readily available to those who might be new to the game and need that basic intel to know what to order...




: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 22, 2021, 09:58:01 PM
Note: I just found a JPG set for the NOE bushing instructions that I made up that may be small enough to post on the forum... Here goes...

I sincerely hope that this helps you gentlemen...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 23, 2021, 10:34:07 AM
Thanks again Mike, those images made it make a whole lot more sense.  Too bad the die body isn't available right now.  I may buy the .269 bushing and the .264 push rod now while they are in stock to make sure when the die bodies are available I already have the other parts I need.  It would be super frustrating to have them be out of stock when the die body becomes available.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 23, 2021, 11:35:24 AM
I just went ahead and ordered those two items, hopefully the rest of what I need will be available by the time the bullet mold is available.  I'm wondering if they've seen this thread and are possibly going to do a run.  I think we've got pretty firm demand for at least 5 of the 5 cavity GC molds, although as I've said, I'm up for any number of cavities, so 2, 5, I'm there.  I bet if they did 10 or even more that they'd sell all or at least most of them pretty quickly if they were in stock.  Lots of people out there with new Carcanos that could use these bullets because there is really nothing suitable available for sale anywhere.  I think with the right sizer these bullets would probably work OK in a 6.5 Swede Mauser too.  I have one of those, but .264 jacketed bullets are more easily found, so I haven't been compelled to cast like I have been for the Carcano.



: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 23, 2021, 01:21:22 PM
Softwarejanitor,

The initiators of two of the airgun moulds that also have at least 5 requests for those moulds apparently yesterday called Al via telephone, & apparently each spoke to Al directly ... They then posted in their forum threads that they got intel on the status of their air gun moulds future inventory runs... but not the specifics of that intel...

So maybe Schofield as the initiator of this 6.5 MM bullet mould forum string you may need to do that if you would... via telephone as Al may be too busy to answer his emails... in regard to this forum string too...

Being basically deaf...  I do not tend to use the telephone any more... as my fingers now do all my talking via email or forum postings... so me calling on behalf of the various inventory buy requests is unfortunately not an option here...     Sorry about that...

I started a forum request for more of the out of stock the Die Bodies... a good while back.

However no one ever joined in on that email thread... at that time to request a new inventory run of that item... so it may have died a quiet death in favor of more posted requests for moulds... as sizing a year or so ago... did no good... if one did not have the moulds in hand to cast the bullets back then...

Maybe we need to start another forum thread... on What You Would like to see Ran set of postings in regard to replacement die bodies for those new to the game individuals... who want to utilize NOE sizing products... but are stopped due to fact that no die bodies are currently listed as being available to flesh out the NOE sizing die kits...

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/sizing-tools/bushing-push-through-size-die/die-body-replacement-parts/replacement-die-body/

It would certainly help all those who are still using a primer & an oxidizer propellent vs just air... to propel their projectiles...

Page 3 of the just posted NOE bushing instructions has the NOE telephone number along with the NOE address in the lower right hand corner of that instruction document... Please also see that attached intel below...

Sizing kits have traditionally had one die housing included in the kit but three sizes of spacer sleeves small, medium, and large...

Way back when before the store forum page was changed the original kits at that time had the following attached items listed below as components in that sizing kit... Whether all of those parts are still included... I unfortunately cannot say... I provided the second attachment as hopefully a bit of further help for those looking to size using NOE product.

Since I tend to have more than one setup / project running at one time... I ended up getting at least two more die housings to flesh out the set... and to allow me to have more than one setup for nose or body sizing at one time... for each of the spacer sleeve diameters... I could possibly use one more die housings... if you start a new forum request string...

NOTE: on that detail ... NOE recommends sizing down no more than a .001 or .002 per sizing step using its body sizing dies. I haven't seen that NOE Cautionary sizing notation recently... though I may have missed it...

So do not try to take too big a bite sizing your cast bullets down in size... It may take a step or two depending on what you are trying to do... with the NOE body sizing bushings...

It tends to take more than one bite to eat an elephant...

Just good to know intel...

Take Care, & Stay Safe...










: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 25, 2021, 03:19:29 PM
I think I only need the die body, spacer sleeve small and base first top punch holder.  I already have the .269 bushing on order.

I probably wouldn't need the spacer sleeve medium or large.  If I wanted to size other sizes, I'd generally prefer to buy a die body for each bushing so I could leave them assembled and not mess with swapping parts in and out.



: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 25, 2021, 05:33:15 PM
Your call on that...
Sounds about right ... though I would have to look back on the original posted instructions for using the NOE product reference to make sure that I had all the bits and pieces that I needed.
You may find that you need another component or two ... so check the jpg pages that I attached on the bushings just to be sure...
I may just add those attachments elsewhere down the line... so that others can use the intel to determine what NOE sizing product that they want...
I originally bought the set as it was cheaper to do that than buy the individual components À la carte for me.
I added a couple of Die body housings not too long afterwards to augment the original set... for my specific purposes...

OBTW...
I have started a forum subject on what I want to see run On those NOE Die Body Housings...
You and your friends who also want NOE sizing material might want to sign in on that string and post that you want one...
Just a thought...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 26, 2021, 07:04:45 AM
I posted on the die body thread.  I am looking forward to getting together everything I need to load a batch of 6.5x52 Carcano and finally getting to take my rifle to the range.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 26, 2021, 07:54:24 AM
A question was asked a while back about other cartridges that can use the 269-163 RN
In an attempt to answer that question I have also loaded that same cast bullet into the Swedish and the Arisaka... with good results... for my self and others to try ... sized accordingly.
I have attached from Quick Design the cartridge dimensions for the Carcano, the Swede, & the Arisaka... for your edification...

Take Care, & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 26, 2021, 02:13:24 PM
I have a 6.5 Swede Mauser, so it would be possible for me to use these cast bullets with it.  I hadn't really  been planning on it since ammo for the Swedish Mausers and .264 bullets have been more readily available.  However, if supply issues in the market continue like they are, that might change, so being able to cast for it might be a good thing.

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 26, 2021, 02:20:46 PM
Try it with the Swede once the mould is run... and you have it in hand...
Your Nordic brother to the Italian may just like it fine too...
Also you may find that cast is a whole lot cheaper to make up & shoot...
Your Call...
Take Care & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 26, 2021, 02:32:12 PM
Try it with the Swede once the mould is run... and you have it in hand...
Your Nordic brother to the Italian may just like it fine too...
Also you may find that cast is a whole lot cheaper to make up & shoot...
Your Call...
Take Care & Stay Safe...

I figure that I may need a different sizer bushing for the Swede, that remains to be seen.  I'll check it out when I get to casting for the Carcano what it would take to also use those bullets in the Swede.  I am sure that it would be much cheaper to run cast than jacketed.  With powder coating and gas checks I don't figure leading or bore cleanliness in general should be a big deal.

In other news, there was someone posting on the Cast Boolits forum about 6.5 Carcano and lack of mold availability so I posted a link to this thread so maybe hopefully he will show up and add to our list and maybe get things moving quicker.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 26, 2021, 02:55:03 PM
softwarejanitor

You will find that the actual alloy that you intend to use will affect the final as cast bullet diameter, the bullet weight, & etc...

Pure lead will shrink the most in diameter as it cools, and also cause the final cast weight to be the most...

Being naturally soft it may even start to lead you barrel sooner even with a GC... Powder Coat or not...

The more tin in the alloy that that you use the less the as cast bullets diameter will shrink, & also the bullet will be lighter by a few grains as tin weighs less than lead... as per the archimedes principle... 

NOE bases its cast bullet weight software calculations on Wheelweight alloy except for different airgun pellet moulds which need to be cast of Pure lead... and are so listed on those bullet design sketches...

YOU see when you cut a mould knowing what the customers alloy that he or she plans to use can be factored into the machining so that the as cast with that alloy will tend to be the most accurate...

Once you have the mould in hand then the fun can begin...

Take Care, & Stay Safe...
Mike B.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield April 26, 2021, 03:59:43 PM
I've called NOE twice today to no luck, I'll keep trying until I can speak to someone to bring this run to Al's attention.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: wcn2018 April 26, 2021, 11:39:11 PM
Add me to that interest list for 5 cavity GC. My Carcano gets out of FFL jail tomorrow and will be slugging it over the weekend to decide which sizer is needed. I didn't read through the entire thread but seems like there was interest in a run on the sizers as well?
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 27, 2021, 12:24:29 AM
wcn2018
You are now on the list... as you requested...
Description: 269-163-RN-W6

1.   Schofield              Alum       269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2.   OGC4                    Alum      269-163-RN-W6  ? Cav PB or GC ?
3.   TinCan                  Alum      269-163-RN-W6  ? Cav PB or GC ?
4.   Softwarejanitor     Alum       269-163-RN-W6  2 or 5 Cav GC                              4-16-21
5.   Sigma                    ?            269-163-RN- W6 ? Cav PB or GC ?                         3-26-21
6.   Mike B.                  Alum      269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate     3-29-21
7.   kermode1022        Alum      269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate    4-09-21
8.   matthunt101         Alum       269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                     4-09-21
9.   selair_chapman     Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                      4-16-21
10. wcn2018                ?            269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                      4-26-21

Aluminum Or Brass for the mould block.?

Here also is the link to the sizing die bodies thread:
https://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,3081.0.html

You may find... if you look... that there are no sizing die bodies in stock in any of the sizing choice locations on the NOE store site...

If you plan to order NOE sizing components ...
You may need to look at what bushings are still in stock, & say so... also...
I believe that I also posted the original NOE sizing die set of instructions there too ... Which might possible be of interest to you too...


Take Care , & Stay Safe...
Mike B.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 27, 2021, 05:23:40 AM
softwarejanitor

You will find that the actual alloy that you intend to use will affect the final as cast bullet diameter, the bullet weight, & etc...

Pure lead will shrink the most in diameter as it cools, and also cause the final cast weight to be the most...

Being naturally soft it may even start to lead you barrel sooner even with a GC... Powder Coat or not...

The more tin in the alloy that that you use the less the as cast bullets diameter will shrink, & also the bullet will be lighter by a few grains as tin weighs less than lead... as per the archimedes principle... 

NOE bases its cast bullet weight software calculations on Wheelweight alloy except for different airgun pellet moulds which need to be cast of Pure lead... and are so listed on those bullet design sketches...

YOU see when you cut a mould knowing what the customers alloy that he or she plans to use can be factored into the machining so that the as cast with that alloy will tend to be the most accurate...

Once you have the mould in hand then the fun can begin...

Take Care, & Stay Safe...
Mike B.

I have calipers and scales that weigh in grains, so I can check weight and diameter.  I also have lead ingots and some tin ingots.  If my bullets are shrinking too much I can add more tin.  I'm not planning on pushing these too fast, nowhere near max loads, so the weight isn't critical, as long as I can make it fairly consistent.  I will probably sort the bullets into batches of similar weights to hopefully make more consistent groupings.  I may powder coat the batches different colors to make it easy to keep that straight.  I bought a variety pack of powder colors, and I need to see which ones work best anyway.

Once again, thanks for all your advice on this.  It really helps a newbie out.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 27, 2021, 07:28:35 AM
softwarejanitor

You most probably will find that the most accurate alloy for your Italian Carcano, and its Nordic brethren will be pretty close to a wheelweight alloy... pushed towards the speed limit or not...

That is the fun part of the casting ... for me ... at least ... to tweak the cast bullet to your particular firearm...

Since you figure to try to also powder coat this particular bullet design... it most probably will tend to cast a bit oversize what ever alloy that you choose to try... & may need to be sized before and after powder coating...

Normally if a mould is designed for powder coating the as cast diameter will tend to be on the low side of the cast bullet dimensional diameter tolerance to take into account the powder coating dimensional addition of materials... It is what it is...

When in your process you put the GC on will become a factor in your design too... before or after powder coating ... Will your GC shank be too large in diameter once the cast bullet is powder coated... So don't get discouraged if the first batch or two are not optimal... It is a learning experience...

Remember also that the original NOE bushing design recommended no more than a .002 max in sizing diameter. AS I said previously that particular cautionary note does not appear to be on the NOE store website any more...

“All knowledge is for good. Only the use to which you put it can be good or evil.”
"Take Care, & Stay Safe..."

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: wcn2018 April 27, 2021, 09:08:51 AM
I read brass can be heavy, especially for high cavity molds. I also read that NOE's aluminum alloy is probably higher quality than that used by Lee or cheaper moulds, so it performs very well and has good longevity. Also I don't see any reason to be the only brass guy and act as a pain in the ass for Al if everyone else is doing aluminum.

Thanks for the good info on body sizers, will read through it all when I have time. The bushings are what actually size/cut the bullet right? it seems the main problem right now is that the sizer bodies are out of stock, plenty of bushings of various sizes available.

Regarding Teflon sprue plate I see on some of the orders, if the moulds don't come with one by default, I will take a sprue plate on mine as well.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 27, 2021, 09:45:56 AM
wcn2018
Request list amended as requested...
                                       Description: 269-163-RN-W6

1.   Schofield              Alum       269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2.   OGC4                    Alum      269-163-RN-W6  ? Cav PB or GC ?
3.   TinCan                  Alum      269-163-RN-W6  ? Cav PB or GC ?
4.   Softwarejanitor     Alum       269-163-RN-W6  2 or 5 Cav GC                              4-16-21
5.   Sigma                    ?            269-163-RN- W6 ? Cav PB or GC ?                         3-26-21
6.   Mike B.                  Alum      269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate     3-29-21
7.   kermode1022        Alum      269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate    4-09-21
8.   matthunt101         Alum       269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                     4-09-21
9.   selair_chapman     Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                     4-16-21
10. wcn2018                Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC  + Teflon Sprue Plate  4-26-21

Thanks for getting back to the forum thread...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: wcn2018 April 29, 2021, 12:21:47 PM
If it is possible, it would be great to have one of the mould chambers RG/HP with pin. If it throws off the order, ignore it.

Also, is it possible to use lee 6 cavity commercial handles on NOE moulds? they seem readily available.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. April 29, 2021, 01:48:03 PM
wcn2018 

You might want to look at the current 269-163-RN mould page to see what the offering variations are...

Here is the link to that mold page at the NOE store...

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/264-6-5mm/269-163-rn-w6/

I do not believe that NOE in this particular mould design has ever offered an RG version... of that of the 269-163-RN mould design.

If it were it would have been in an RG 2 (2 cavity) or an RG4 4 cavity mould design ...  Had it been offered there would be a drawing showing those dimensions at the following NOE link...

http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,220.0.html

That is not to say that you cannot also request & purchase a smaller mould such as a 2 cavity model, & then have it converted to a hollow point version... of your own design...

There are machine shops out there that do offer a hollow pointing service ...  Understand also that it will most probably cost at least twice if not three times as much as the 2 cavity original mould will cost you to have said mould drilled and machined to setup said mould for an hollow point pin design ... 

Even at that there are limits to the HP size and HP pin taper to take into account... Otherwise the cast bullets will basically not have enough space between the mould body and the HP pins ... If that happens the resultant alloy will not tend to want to fill out properly around the nose where it comes into contact to the HP pin.

NOE used to stock blank pins for their moulds in 2 & 4 cavity increments along with the supporting NOE hardware so that one could potentially make up a custom pin design... of one own....  or replace lost or damaged parts for the mould designs that they offered as an RG version.

Those items unfortunately have also been sold out for quite a long while now...

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/specialty-moulds/page/2/

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/specialty-moulds/page/3/

You will most probably also need to purchase a software package for designing cast bullets.... to draw up what you want... for the outside machine shop... as the machine shop will need to know what exactly it is that you want the HP cavity to look like ...

NOE way back when was going to partner with a software design package manufacturer ... to offer that same software package that I understand that NOE uses...

However that apparently never came to fruition... as I have never formally seen that offering for a goodly number of years now on the store website...

You should also know that if the draft angle taper on your HP pin design is setup for too shallow of a draft angle... the cast bullets will want to hang up on the pins as the HP Pin will cool too much to allow the cast bullet to drop off due to the different cooling rates of you alloy and the HP pin material...

I know...  as I have had a number of molds from various manufacturers converted to be an HP mould... and had to figure that cooling intel into my pin calculations... using a design software package originally recommended by Al to me ... for this purpose...

Fortunately the design software package tends to want to prevent you from doing just that ...

Understand also that it is a one way street and once you go down it the mould will no longer be a round nose variation...

Taking a .262 nose diameter and cropping the nose back to a .200 or to a .250 diameter will basically lighten the bullet and tend to make it almost a cylindrical cast bullet design.

The nose on the cast bullet has to basically be be bobbed (NOE's standard pins were I believe .200 & .25 in diameter Pins) to create a wide enough meplat to accommodate the HP pin and leave a thick enough wall a the nose to allow said cast bullet to fill out properly around the HP cavity perimeter...

Which is why I noted that it might be best to order a second mould ...
Your call on that ....

As to your handle question the answer is yes...

NOTE: Reported on various forums on that particular manufacturers handle design. Watch out that the wooden handles do not come off on you down the line... as that manufacturer does not tend to pin its wooden handles solidly to the metal portions of said handle components...  NOE's version does not have that problem...

Nuff said...

Guess we may need another couple of threads on RG components and mould handles requests to have run...

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/mould-handles/mould-handles/



: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield April 29, 2021, 07:02:04 PM
I spoke with Al yesterday and brought this thread to his attention. He said he was going to check on the thread and get it moved into the production que. There is currently a 16-18 week backlog in the work lined up but he is going to try to fit the run into the production schedule.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor April 29, 2021, 08:16:55 PM
I spoke with Al yesterday and brought this thread to his attention. He said he was going to check on the thread and get it moved into the production que. There is currently a 16-18 week backlog in the work lined up but he is going to try to fit the run into the production schedule.

Wow.  Did he say what the bottleneck is?  It is just massive demand?  Lack of materials?  Lack of equipment/tooling?  Lack of labor?  Is there any plan to speed things up?

I know it is not just NOE.  A lot of firearms related products are also in short supply right now.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield April 30, 2021, 07:55:48 PM
He didn't really elaborate, if I had to guess its just due to the backlog demand and production schedule rather than a tooling problem.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor May 01, 2021, 07:16:31 AM
He didn't really elaborate, if I had to guess its just due to the backlog demand and production schedule rather than a tooling problem.

We are in weird times.  Demand for product throughout the industry is massive, at least partially due to the possibility that we may see extensive bans and other oppression from the current Stalinesque regime.  But the threat of those bans (and collusion of big media and tech giants, use of cancel culture, banking laws and tax enforcement to go against anyone in industries like firearms that the socialists don't like) seems to make manufacturers wary of making the investments needed to step up production to fill that demand.  Forced closures, employees scared by the socialist sympathizing media to be afraid to go to work, etc., have destroyed productivity up and down the whole supply and materials chains.

I don't know if it is affecting availability of NOE products, but reloading tools in general have been subject to hoarding and "neckbearding".  People seem to be buying up all available production of some of the big brands and then re-selling them at highly profiteering prices on eBay, etc.  Sometimes 2, 3 even 10 times the selling price of just a year or two ago.  Primers and powder are the worst (often asking 10x list prices on "Funbr0k3r"), but I've seen reloading dies, bullet molds and other tools selling for 2-3x list prices on eBay as well.

Now, I am not totally against people making a profit, but the people who are buying stuff just to flip it are really adding no value to the market, and what they are doing wouldn't even be possible if industry was able to even come close to keeping up with demand.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: wcn2018 May 01, 2021, 10:21:16 PM
Just slugged the carcano bore. .268-.2695, given my calipers are about -0.001 accuracy in experience. this mold should be great for the rifle. Excited for this mould to be run, will probably get the .269 sizer.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. May 01, 2021, 10:51:06 PM
wcn2018
You might also want to think about a .270 body sizer bushing too ... depending on how hard your casting alloy that you plan to use is...

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/sizing-tools/bushings/264cal-bushings/264cal-270-body-bushing-b270/

Normally with lead one wants ~.001 larger.

Your call on that...


: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: wcn2018 May 02, 2021, 03:12:38 PM
Good call I think I will get the .270 bushing too, given that the bushing is only $10, will be good to have both on hand.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Sid May 05, 2021, 03:54:57 PM
I need one of these molds, I'd take a 2 cavity but would prefer a three or a 4 cavity.

First time on this forum, not sure how to get in line to get one. I've already have a dozen plus NOE molds and ordered another mold this morning. One of the few in stock.

If it needs money down let me know. I'm not a tire kicker on this mold, I have two 6.5 M-S that NEEDS a profile as close to the original to feed correctly.

269-163-RN-W6 4 cavity GC

Sid
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. May 05, 2021, 05:33:13 PM
Sid

I can add you to the list that the forum thread has been compiling on the 269-163-RN mould if you will be more specific in your request...

The current NOE store offerings are all out of stock at the moment... though ... that remaining selection will tend to tell you which moulds Al will be most likely to make up when he gets to the point in the que to make a new production run that Schofield recently talked to him about... via telephone... using the list of requests for said mould on this forum thread...

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/264-6-5mm/269-163-rn-w6/

If you look at reply 78 on this forum thread, plus the attached link above... to the web store page & decide on which specific mould that most warms the cockles of your heart, & then reply on the forum specifically as to what you want I will add your name to the list .... & update said list...

Take Care, & Stay Safe...
Mike B.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. May 06, 2021, 08:27:45 AM
List updated...  5-6-21

1.   Schofield              Alum       269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2.   OGC4                  Alum        269-163-RN-W6  ? Cav PB or GC ?
3.   TinCan                  Alum       269-163-RN-W6  ? Cav PB or GC ?
4.   Softwarejanitor     Alum       269-163-RN-W6  2 or 5 Cav GC                                4-16-21
5.   Sigma                       ?         269-163-RN- W6 ? Cav PB or GC ?                           3-26-21
6.   Mike B.                  Alum      269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate       3-29-21
7.   kermode1022       Alum       269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate      4-09-21
8.   matthunt101         Alum       269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                        4-09-21
9.   selair_chapman    Alum       269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                       4-16-21
10. wcn2018               Alum       269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC  + Teflon Sprue Plate     4-26-21
11. Sid                            ?         269-163-RN-W6   4 Cav GC                                       5-05-21
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Sid May 06, 2021, 01:14:52 PM
With my name being added to the list, I'm guessing you picked up on the "269-163-RN-W6 4 cavity GC" that was in my original post...

But probably should have specified Aluminum, just noticed the ? in my line. Never tried a brass mold, got bunches of iron molds, as a 4 cavity I suspect lighter is better. Cast up a bunch of 429303's with a 4 cavity mold last week. Wrist took several days to recover.

Thanks for adding me.

I'm looking forward to trying out this mold. All the other NOE molds I have have worked great, I expect this will do what I need it to.

Sid
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. May 06, 2021, 02:09:53 PM
Sid

I added your name because I saw that detail. However the fact that you also in your posting were not too specific as to Brass or Aluminum for the mould material prompted my initial posting... along with your comment in regard about the different number of cavities that you might be willing to purchase, plus the fact that that particular mould is also offered in a 5 cavity version was a factor in my initial reply to you...

It was from your comments as though you did not really know what potentially it was that your could specifically request... in your inventory request posting...

Also you apparently did not enter a PM address in your membership profile when you initially signed up as a forum member yesterday...

So no PM could be immediately sent to you to query about your request details... as I looked to PM you before posting the updated listing... after trying to locate your PM address in the membership files... Thus the delay between my two postings...

Hopefully everything is kosher as to what was posted this AM... as it all had to be done  on line... on the forum... If not please say so so that the final intel that the forum thread gives to Al is as accurate as possible ... when the run finally hits # 1 in the que line...

Also... If down the line you... want someone via the NOE forum to reply via PM to you in regard to an update, or on an order status request such as this...  or other forum threads... you might want to add your PM address to your members profile...

None of the other forum members can see your entered PM address .... there is simply a symbol of an envelope by your name in your members profile which indicates that you can be PMed... Finally one PM can be basically be copied to all the members of the group that have a PM address in their members profile...

It allows you to be PMed about details on request such as this or order status update or change ... in a much more timely manner ... down the line... as the forum basically acts as a technical intermediary when you PM another member... about thread details & such... while keeping both of the members email addresses hidden from each other ...

Your call on that...

Now you know why the second posting was a delayed & updated list... with ? marks.

I sincerely hope that you understand...
Mike B.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: fleetmat May 07, 2021, 09:34:14 AM
I have a Carcano coming in next week.  Assuming it’s in good shape I need to feed it.  The 5 cavity aluminum GC seems like a winner to me. 
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. May 07, 2021, 09:45:38 AM
List updated 5-7-21

Description: 269-163-RN-W6

1.   Schofield              Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2.   OGC4                    Alum      269-163-RN-W6  ? Cav PB or GC ?
3.   TinCan                  Alum      269-163-RN-W6  ? Cav PB or GC ?
4.   Softwarejanitor    Alum      269-163-RN-W6  2 or 5 Cav GC                                   4-16-21
5.   Sigma                       ?         269-163-RN- W6 ? Cav PB or GC ?                           3-26-21
6.   Mike B.                  Alum     269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate        3-29-21
7.   kermode1022       Alum      269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate        4-09-21
8.   matthunt101         Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                         4-09-21
9.   selair_chapman   Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                          4-16-21
10. wcn2018               Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC  + Teflon Sprue Plate      4-26-21
11. Sid                         Alum      269-163-RN-W6  4 Cav GC                                        5-05-21
12. fleetmat                Alum.     269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                         5-07-21                                   
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor May 07, 2021, 09:17:44 PM
Looks like there is solid interest for at least 5, maybe as many as 10 of the Alum 269-163-RN-W6 5 Cav GC, so hopefully that will mean this will get pushed to the production schedule soon!

I am very excited!  I want to be able to take my Carcano to the range!

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. May 07, 2021, 09:27:34 PM
You may have to also phone Al and see what he says as lately I cannot get an email response from him or anyone who works at NOE in regard to my emails...

Also while you are at it the moulds are only step 1 if there is no schedule to make up the NOE sizing materials that everyone seems to need.

Take Care & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield May 08, 2021, 10:32:38 AM
Would someone who is based in the US be able to call Al for an update? I keep getting dinged with international calling charges ha.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. May 09, 2021, 08:39:15 AM
Gentlemen,

Being not able to try to call NOE to request intel on the forum threads, & in response to Schofields request of yesterday...

I have just posted a request on the forum website under Questions / Problems respectfully requesting that NOE begin posting a production schedule on the forum website as NOE used to do.

If you agree with this please also post your requests for a production schedule under this forum thread topic... & Please get the other forum members to also want some intel to also do so...

Take Care, & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor May 09, 2021, 01:09:10 PM
Gentlemen,

Being not able to try to call NOE to request intel on the forum threads, & in response to Schofields request of yesterday...

I have just posted a request on the forum website under Questions / Problems respectfully requesting that NOE begin posting a production schedule on the forum website as NOE used to do.

If you agree with this please also post your requests for a production schedule under this forum thread topic... & Please get the other forum members to also want some intel to also do so...

Take Care, & Stay Safe...

I would love to have a schedule so we would know when things are going to be run, that would be very useful!

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: wcn2018 May 10, 2021, 01:56:00 PM
Looks like we got a reply from Al. Maybe have to wait a month or two before we see any attention for forum orders it seems.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. May 11, 2021, 07:29:33 AM
Gentlemen

The lists of requests that I have been unofficially compiling is a list of requests for said 269-163-RN-W6 to be run once again to put product into this and other NOE moulds stock bins at NOE.

Without it there would basically be no updated tracking on the forum request that each of you have made in regard to your individual requests, if the forum threads are not checked regularly by NOE personnel to keep track of the individual mould requests requesting a new run of out of stock product...

The list of requests are solely for a potential new production run... of said moulds... so that Al will know what specifically is being requested by the forum members down the line.

The requests for a new inventory run ... includes the cavity count, aluminum or brass mould material, & with or without a gas check shank that is being requested by forum members to be run.

This is to potentially give Al more intel for a requested new mould inventory run... should said future requested mould inventory run ever come to fruition.

You now have Al's posting in regard to the forum thread... under the Questions / Problems forum thread.

I have quoted it here for your convenience...

Re: Request that NOE begin a posting of the production schedule on the forum
« Reply #2 on: Today at 01:36:22 »
Quote
Will see what we can do but not at this time – I don’t have the man power or the time myself
I can't keep up with production as it is - Sorry needed in the shop more than the website

Working 14 to 15 hours a day 7 days a week - If this is a problem we can shut down the form until we get a handle on production

We are going to get through this but it's going to take some time - production and getting a handle on the back orders is my top priority!!

Bullet maker, maker
Al Nelson

Al's reply is not a problem for me... It simply clarifies the position that NOE is in from the Owner of NOE... It also answers a number of other topics in regard to NOE's business status...

Take Care, & Stay Safe...


: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor May 11, 2021, 07:28:58 PM
I understand that it is more important to actually do the manufacturing.  I really appreciate everything you've been doing to help coordinate things Mike B.

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: matthunt101 May 28, 2021, 07:24:11 PM
Been a while since anyone posted anything here, any updates? Has the discussion simply been moved elsewhere, or are we simply playing the waiting game?
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. May 28, 2021, 07:37:32 PM
We are apparently simply playing a waiting game...
Right now the emphasis apparently is on mould handles and complete sizing push die kits...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor June 01, 2021, 09:40:17 AM
We are apparently simply playing a waiting game...
Right now the emphasis apparently is on mould handles and complete sizing push die kits...

I'm still here, I hope all the other people who expressed interest are still there.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. June 01, 2021, 09:49:26 AM
There are at least two of us still here...
Push Rods, & I suspect sizing dies are now on this weeks menu...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: wcn2018 June 01, 2021, 01:49:49 PM
I'm here, waiting and ready.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: fleetmat June 02, 2021, 11:59:31 AM
Still here as well.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield June 02, 2021, 01:08:11 PM
Haven't gone anywhere.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor June 02, 2021, 02:16:02 PM
I have an 1891 Carcano rifle that I've been waiting for months to shoot.  I have dies, brass, etc...  all I need is a bullet mold so I can load up some ammo and take it to the range.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: wcn2018 June 02, 2021, 08:01:56 PM
SoftwareJanitor,

If you don't mind me asking, where did you get dies? Did you get them after the rifle? I have been looking for months now and the only place I see them is ebay, and I don't want to pay the scalpers. I actually managed to find loaded ammo first :/
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor June 02, 2021, 08:50:26 PM
SoftwareJanitor,

If you don't mind me asking, where did you get dies? Did you get them after the rifle? I have been looking for months now and the only place I see them is ebay, and I don't want to pay the scalpers. I actually managed to find loaded ammo first :/

I got the dies after, off eBay.  I paid a bit over list price, but they are sold out everywhere else.

I haven't managed to find even a single box of loaded ammo anywhere.

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. June 02, 2021, 08:55:00 PM
Try the attached link for Ammo for the Italian loaded ammunition.

https://www.cheapammo.com/rifle/6-5x52-carcano-ammo

Sorry I could not help on the die situation...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor June 03, 2021, 01:43:39 PM
Try the attached link for Ammo for the Italian loaded ammunition.

https://www.cheapammo.com/rifle/6-5x52-carcano-ammo

Sorry I could not help on the die situation...

Thanks for that.  I still need the bullet mold because "cheap" that ammo is not.  And the shipping was about 1/2 what the ammo cost, so it was pretty pricey, but at least I will be able to reload the brass.

I searched a long time for dies before I finally gave up and bought a set of Lee Pacesetters off eBay.  Not only were they expensive, the seller shorted me the shell holder that was supposed to be included for free.  I've got a few #2 shell holders though, so not the end of the world.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. June 03, 2021, 02:37:37 PM
Not a problem...
It is at least brass cartridge cases that are boxer primed...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor June 03, 2021, 04:03:56 PM
Not a problem...
It is at least brass cartridge cases that are boxer primed...

Yes, I've used Privi Partisan ammo before, it is fairly good.  Even if it was Berdan primed, I have a Berdan de-prime tool and some Berdan primers.  I shoot a few oddball cartridges where I have a lot of Berdan primed cases.  They are a pain to de-prime and the primers are hard to find and fairly expensive, but I hate wasting reloadable brass.


: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. June 03, 2021, 06:13:08 PM
Did you happen to notice that the source that you bought the cartridge cases from only had the much lighter 126 Gr bullets... still in stock, even though it was miss listed on the the bullet weight as the circa 140 grain bullet... not what the illustration showed and what was listed in the cartridge description as the bullet weight & type...

Most probably you will be better off pulling those lighter 126 GR bullets and then once you get your needed mould proceed from there... as they will most probably tend to do poorly in the accuracy department...

Your call on that... if all you need to hear is a bang from your as yet unfired new acquisition...

You may also want to get a slightly larger expander die to go with that die set that you purchased on the internet... (~.001 or so for the cast bullets that you plan to cast and size in the future.)

I also have played with berdan primed brass... it tends to be a pain in the lower 40... to convert or reload... especially when one could get boxer primed brass in the past, & hopefully in the future.

Personally if you are going to go to all that trouble to reload berdan brass with new berdan primers...

There are documented cartridge conversion procedures that in this instance for this cartridge that happen to use as a basis the 30-06 cartridge case, so that you can if you want start with a boxer cartridge case as a basis... you can without compromising the cartridge case design structure, & or risk even slightly damaging the internal anvil in that berdan primed cartridge case...

If you want that cartridge case conversion intel... then PM me with your actual email address, & I will send you the scanned pages describing the steps that you need...   (NOE PM's unfortunately do not allow for attachments), & I tend to feel that it is wrong to publicly post that intel here from a potential liability and legality standpoint.

No disrespect on reloading berdan primed brass...  What ever floats your boat... Just remember that you most probably will also be dealing with the corrosive berdan primers, on much of the older surplus berdan primed ammunition, & are most probably also looking at corrosive primed brass that once they are fired just once with a corrosive primer tend to add a new dimension of cleaning and cartridge detonation to the brass that now has that corrosive primer residue baked in.

Especially it the brass has been lying in state for any length of time... There is also the liability concern on cartridge cases so modified... from berdan to boxer to deal with...

Again what ever floats you boat and gets you to where you want to be...
Take Care & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor June 04, 2021, 05:38:43 PM
It says 123gr in one place and 139gr in others.  Hard to say what I will get, but there is nothing else available anywhere at any price that I've been able to find.

I realize that 123gr is not ideal, but I'm not going to be using this rifle for hunting or matches, so being able to get a bang out of a so far unutilized rifle is better than nothing.

I shoot a lot of corrosive milsurp ammo with both Berdan and Boxer primers, so I am familiar with the cleaning process needed.  The Berdan primers I have are recent production and non-corrosive.  Mostly Norma, Wolf and Tulammo.

I have Boxer brass for 6.5x52 Carcano that was converted from .257 Roberts that I bought from Buffalo Arms.  I don't have any Berdan brass for this cartridge, the Berdan brass I have is mostly for 7.62x54R, 8x57 Mauser and 7.62x39 or some fairly obscure obsolete other ones.  I've seen methods for converting brass from Berdan to Boxer, and it seems like as much or more trouble than just dealing with Berdan primers, which I already have.  I understand the issues with corrosive salts inside the brass, but I've honestly never had a big problem with it.  A lot of the milsurp ammo I have is 50+ years old, but I tend to reload it fairly quickly once it has been shot, and I'm guessing that once reloaded and the case is mostly filled with powder and sealed with a bullet, that corrosion isn't that big of a problem.  I also tumble my brass after firing so maybe that helps too, although I am not sure how much media actually gets down inside bottleneck cases.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. June 04, 2021, 11:52:53 PM
I might recommend that you consider a liquid wash of the cartridge cases with lemishine, and then liquid tumble the brass with steel pins... That will help clean out the Powder & Primer residue from inside the cartridge case, & clean up the brass inside and out...

Dry media just tends to pack itself into the case and once the case is full inside really does not clean the inside of the cartridge case... as there is no more room in the case for the media to move around and scrub the inside of the cartridge case as it will do to the outside of the cartridge case in a vibration or rotary tumbler.

I might also recommend that you deprime the cases first be they boxer or berdan primed...

Done properly the brass inside & out will look like it has never been fired when looking down into the cartridge case.

I then tend to take an extra step & anneal all the cartridge case necks & shoulders with an  annealer to counteract the work hardening & age brittleness of the older brass, & to help ease the process of resizing, or reforming the extra cartridge cases to what might be needed... down the line...

For each of us the preferred process is basically is what basically that each of us have found that appears to work, & best floats your boat... and tends to give you that warm fuzzy feeling...
Take Care & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor June 05, 2021, 07:51:36 PM
It says 123gr in one place and 139gr in others.  Hard to say what I will get, but there is nothing else available anywhere at any price that I've been able to find.

I realize that 123gr is not ideal, but I'm not going to be using this rifle for hunting or matches, so being able to get a bang out of a so far unutilized rifle is better than nothing.

I shoot a lot of corrosive milsurp ammo with both Berdan and Boxer primers, so I am familiar with the cleaning process needed.  The Berdan primers I have are recent production and non-corrosive.  Mostly Norma, Wolf and Tulammo.

I have Boxer brass for 6.5x52 Carcano that was converted from .257 Roberts that I bought from Buffalo Arms.  I don't have any Berdan brass for this cartridge, the Berdan brass I have is mostly for 7.62x54R, 8x57 Mauser and 7.62x39 or some fairly obscure obsolete other ones.  I've seen methods for converting brass from Berdan to Boxer, and it seems like as much or more trouble than just dealing with Berdan primers, which I already have.  I understand the issues with corrosive salts inside the brass, but I've honestly never had a big problem with it.  A lot of the milsurp ammo I have is 50+ years old, but I tend to reload it fairly quickly once it has been shot, and I'm guessing that once reloaded and the case is mostly filled with powder and sealed with a bullet, that corrosion isn't that big of a problem.  I also tumble my brass after firing so maybe that helps too, although I am not sure how much media actually gets down inside bottleneck cases.

The ammo arrived today.  123gr.  Probably won't have great accuracy, but it is properly headstamped brass for 6.5x52 Carcano.  And at least it is something to make sure my Carcano operates correctly.  Once I get my bullet mold I can load it up with some better weight and profile bullets.

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. June 05, 2021, 09:01:15 PM
Ok
I hope that those interested in the 269-163 bullet moulds see those moulds come to fruition in the near future.
Take Care & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor June 21, 2021, 07:15:04 PM
Any word yet?
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. June 21, 2021, 07:50:06 PM
softwarejanitor,
Sorry No...
Nothing that I can see... nor have heard from NOE proper ... via inventory updates ...
Most every movement that can potentially be tracked as movement on the store forum, has been in mould handles and sizing die sets...
There are a plethora of inventory mould requests that I have tracked in the last several weeks ... but nothing seems to be showing up in the store forum... except as noted above...
One can only guess everyone is getting their handles up front in anticipation of requested inventory and group buy new mould runs being forthcoming...
Getting what they can... while they can...
Hopefully in the next little bit or so we will hear from NOE... down the line...
The world is starting to open up again a bit...
One can only at this point wait... in anticipation...
Take Care, & Stay Safe...


: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. June 29, 2021, 06:58:31 AM
There now appears to be some in stock 269-163 RN in stock as of this AM ...  6-29-21

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/264-6-5mm/269-163-rn-w6/

Get them while they are available.

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: fleetmat June 29, 2021, 07:59:34 AM
Thanks Mike B for the notice.  I just placed my order.  😄
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor June 29, 2021, 11:05:43 AM
Thanks Mike B for the notice.  I just placed my order.  😄

I also placed an order this morning.

Thanks to Mike B for helping drive this forward!


: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Schofield June 29, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
Also placed my order. I'm glad that we were all able to generate enough interest to make it a viable run and thanks to Mike for keeping up moving forward. Now we can get our carcano's up and running.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor June 29, 2021, 07:30:29 PM
Also placed my order. I'm glad that we were all able to generate enough interest to make it a viable run and thanks to Mike for keeping up moving forward. Now we can get our carcano's up and running.

Yes, I am really excited to cast some bullets and load up some cartridges!

: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: wcn2018 June 30, 2021, 11:46:57 AM
Ordered mine yesterday after getting that personal message from Mike. NOE says shipped out today. Great stuff! Thanks a bunch for being on top of things Mike; I feel like this wouldn't have happened without you. shoutout to Mike!

On another topic, who all would be interested in starting a companion thread on using this mold and loading for 6.5 carc? Maybe here, maybe on castboolits, or wherever it makes the most sense. I feel like almost everyone is planning on putting them through m91 carcanos so our experiences should be useful for each other. Or we can just use this thread.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor June 30, 2021, 12:02:32 PM
Ordered mine yesterday after getting that personal message from Mike. NOE says shipped out today. Great stuff! Thanks a bunch for being on top of things Mike; I feel like this wouldn't have happened without you. shoutout to Mike!

On another topic, who all would be interested in starting a companion thread on using this mold and loading for 6.5 carc? Maybe here, maybe on castboolits, or wherever it makes the most sense. I feel like almost everyone is planning on putting them through m91 carcanos so our experiences should be useful for each other. Or we can just use this thread.

I agree, Mike has been NOE's best salesperson on this thread!

I also got my tracking number today, so I would expect that within a week I should have my bullet mold in hand!

As for a thread on castboolits or wherever, you got a big YES from me!
 
I've got gas checks I will be using, and I am planning to powder coat.  My intent is probably to use IMR 4895, as that is my "go to" powder for mid size rifle cartridges, although I do have some others on hand that might also work such as Hodgdon BL-C(2), IMR 3031, etc.  Primers will be either CCI or Winchester.  I have 50 new brass cases I bought from Buffalo Arms that were formed from .257 Roberts and I have 20 rounds of commercial ammo (with probably undersized bullets and less than optimal weight and bullet shape for an 1891 Carcano -- but they were all that was available).  I'll shoot the commercial ammo and reload those cases too.

For dies I have a set of Lee Pacesetter that I overpaid for on eBay (looked for a long time to even find those).  I'll be loading on a single stage press, probably my Lee Classic Cast, as that is what I usually use for small volume runs of rifle ammo.

I don't plan on any max loads or anything like that.  Probably near starting level loads, whatever it takes to get reasonable accuracy.  I'm not planning on hunting with this rifle, and with iron sights I expect most of my shooting to be at 25 or 50 yards, although I will try it at 100 just for fun too.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. July 01, 2021, 06:16:10 AM
Thanks guys...
I'm not a salesman for NOE...

I'm just a fellow member who enjoys shooting who tries to help in any way he can.
Ive been shooting for years and have a goodly number of moulds & load data in my war bag...

I already had the GC version of the 269-163 that I bought when this mould was first offered.
I just bought the PB version so that I could potentially save on GC costs... when loading with Trail Boss and staying below 1600 FPS..., & wanted to try to help you get your GC versions to feed your hungry Carcanos.

Your go to powder will of 4895 will only give you at best around an 85% burn in a 21 inch Carcano barrel... in the load areas that you refer to in your last reply...

I try to tailor my loads to get very close to... if not a 100% burn... prediction... Your call on that... account with powder being scarcer than hens teeth these days...

You also may find that the bore dimensions vary a good bit in your individual Carcano rifles ... so slugging your barrel to determine what the best final cast sizing die may be in order to match your particulars rifle bore...

Powder coating will most probably add at least .001 to .002 to your as cast bore diameters... Your actual alloy and composition, & melt temperature will also tend to vary the final cast bullet weight that your moulds will throw... so the proper sizing will tend to help with your group accuracy... plinking or otherwise...

If you want load data we may have to talk via email as the NOE PM's do not allow for attachments...

Public forums data tends to be interpreted in ways that one cannot control. False conclusions tend to lead to issues... due to misinterpretations ... of load combinations listed...

Educated predictions of safer combinations can be much safer in the long run...
Take Care & Stay Safe...
Mike B.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: softwarejanitor July 03, 2021, 02:48:55 PM
Thanks guys...
I'm not a salesman for NOE...

I didn't mean you are literally a salesperson, just that your pushing this thread forward has certainly helped a lot of us get the moulds and sizing dies we needed.  I am guessing a number of us probably would have given up otherwise.

I'm just a fellow member who enjoys shooting who tries to help in any way he can.
Ive been shooting for years and have a goodly number of moulds & load data in my war bag...

Your help has been greatly appreciated! 

I already had the GC version of the 269-163 that I bought when this mould was first offered.
I just bought the PB version so that I could potentially save on GC costs... when loading with Trail Boss and staying below 1600 FPS..., & wanted to try to help you get your GC versions to feed your hungry Carcanos.

I've never used Trail Boss in a rifle, although I've heard a lot of people do.  I use it for loads for a number of old revolvers that I have.

Your go to powder will of 4895 will only give you at best around an 85% burn in a 21 inch Carcano barrel... in the load areas that you refer to in your last reply...

I've got the long 1891 Carcano rifle, not the shorter 91/38 carbine  I haven't measured it but my barrel is supposed to be 30.7" according to what I find online and that looks about right by eyeball.  So hopefully it should do a little better at fully burning IMR 4895.

I try to tailor my loads to get very close to... if not a 100% burn... prediction... Your call on that... account with powder being scarcer than hens teeth these days...

One reason for me looking to use IMR 4895 is I have a couple of 8lb jugs on hand.  Other powders I have like IMR 3031,IMR 4064, H4198, etc, I have a pound bottle or less of most of them.  Maybe 1-1/2 to 2 at most.

You also may find that the bore dimensions vary a good bit in your individual Carcano rifles ... so slugging your barrel to determine what the best final cast sizing die may be in order to match your particulars rifle bore...

I plan on doing that. I did receive my bullet mould and sizing die kit...  then realized unlike that brand that shall not be named here...  NOE bullet mould handles are sold separately...  And none of my other brand mould handles will fit because I ordered the 5 cavity 269-163-RN-W6 mold...  and all my other moulds are 2 cavity.  So waiting on a mould handle order now.

I have a couple different batches of lead ingots that I bought, so I will probably try some different ones to see which one works best.  I will measure the cast bullets with a caliper before and after powder coating and sizing of course.

Powder coating will most probably add at least .001 to .002 to your as cast bore diameters... Your actual alloy and composition, & melt temperature will also tend to vary the final cast bullet weight that your moulds will throw... so the proper sizing will tend to help with your group accuracy... plinking or otherwise...

If you want load data we may have to talk via email as the NOE PM's do not allow for attachments...

Public forums data tends to be interpreted in ways that one cannot control. False conclusions tend to lead to issues... due to misinterpretations ... of load combinations listed...

Educated predictions of safer combinations can be much safer in the long run...
Take Care & Stay Safe...
Mike B.

I can't speak for other people on the thread.  I'm new to bullet casting, but not to reloading or working up loads from (more or less) scratch.  Others may be more or less advanced than I however.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. July 03, 2021, 09:28:54 PM
softwarejanitor

You can indeed try shooting the GC version sans the GC... Personally everyone that I know who has ever tried it has not had much luck with that accuracy wise...  Any casting imperfections on the base of the cast bullet or around the GC shank where it meets the body diameter apparently to tend to accentuate the inaccuracy issue by venting the explosive gas nano seconds before the rest of the bullets body leaves the barrel crown ... It's why jacketed boat tails are swaged to be very uniform around the boat tail dimension... The further away the target is the wider the dispersion... maybe close distances only is the answer here for plinking purposes?

Your Call on trying that that though... It will be interesting to see your reported results down the line.

Since you have said that your were fairly new to rolling your own cast bullets you may also need to know that most all of the liquid lubes tend to take several days to dry thoroughly on the cast bullet even when used extremely sparingly... I tend to wait about 3 days before final sizing to ensure that the liquid lube is really dry... But that is just me...
Maybe you will have better luck in that endeavor...

Also powder coating needs to really be baked on properly... there are a goodly number of good & decent videos on the subject... Please do not ask me to recommend any shake & bake videos ...

What you may or may not note is the fact that most all of the videos are most commonly now using small kitchen toaster ovens, which really only can apparently properly do about 25 to 30 powder coated individual bullets at one time in one batch... @ I believe ~ 350 degrees F ... for at least 20 minutes.  Much like a batch of cookies ... Much higher and the tin in your alloy will begin to soften & melt at around ~ 450 degrees F.

I would not tend to recommend to do the powder coating shake and bake in the house due to the potential fumes and higher temperature baking needed... lest you tend to risk marital bliss, or other potential health issues...

Unfortunately the individual powder coated bullets should also be probably be setup to not touch each other less they bond themselves together in the PC shake & bake process... or stick to whatever they are laid on ... However that is not to discourage you or anyone else in any way from going in that direction ...  Maybe you can come up with a way to hang them by their GC shanks or potentially supported in some similar manner... You may also find that once you powder coat a non GC'ed GC bullet ... That the GC shanks may now be too big to fit on with any ease of application... Thus potentially causing the need for GC expansion prior to GC installation... to now fit those powder coated shanks ... Research & think the process through .... maybe installing the GCs before you powder coat, & final size.
 
I do sincerely wish you good luck in your endeavor in powder coating...

Actually Powder Coating potentially tends also to take the place of the normal Cu GC or the Al type GC for that matter. depending on how fast you intend to push the cast bullets...

So you see besides Trail Boss the PB versions can also be pushed a bit too when push comes to shove... Also there are now Al PB GCs that can be utilized too... to cover their little PB bottoms with Aluminum lithographic plate GC's ... which is actually softer & cheaper than the Copper GC's...

Take Care & Stay Safe...
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Sid July 14, 2021, 10:52:05 AM
Ordered my 4 cavity mold June 30th, received it July 2, Cast with it a couple of days later.

Dropped beautiful boolits with most dropping on opening the mold, the few that hung up in the mold just took a light tap to get them to release.

Some of the nicest boolits I've ever cast.

Spot on for size/weight.

Just have to get some loaded up and try them. Bought this for the Carcano, but I suspect I'll be trying them in the 6.5x55, the 6.5x53R and the 6.5x54 in addition to the 6.5x52.
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: wcn2018 August 05, 2021, 05:46:42 PM
I already had the GC version of the 269-163 that I bought when this mould was first offered.
I just bought the PB version so that I could potentially save on GC costs... when loading with Trail Boss and staying below 1600 FPS..., & wanted to try to help you get your GC versions to feed your hungry Carcanos.

First off I appreciate this entire post. Great starting info. I happen to have some trailboss I'm trying to find a use for and 6.5 carcano or 7.5 swiss will be interesting to see. In regards to gas checks, are you just using standard 6.5 (.264) gas checks or are you finding some way to manufacture your own?
: Re: 269-163-RN-W6
: Mike B. August 05, 2021, 08:00:43 PM
wcn2018

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