NOE Expander Plug Setup

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    Ranch Dog
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      The steps to properly adjust the NOE Expander Plug (the solid top plug) in either the Lee Universal Case Expanding Dier or the Powder through Expander Die capped with a Lee Adjusting Screw are:

        [*]Set the Expander Plug in the mouth of a sized Case. Mark the plug against the case mouth.[*]Determine the sizing needed on the plug with a caliper. NOE recommends .001″ over bullet size. Mark the plug at that point.[*]With the caliper, measure the distance between the two marks on the plug, write it down for the calculation.[*]Place the Expander Plug in the Lee Universal Expanding Die and screw the Adjusting Screw in until the threads just disappear into the top of the  die.[*]Place the sized case in the press and raise the ram.[*]Place the die on the press and screw it until you feel the case make contact with the plug.[*]Lower the ram.[*]Complete the calculation to determine how to adjust the die:
        [*]Divide the distance the plug needs to sink in the case to achieve the desired depth by .071. Example: If the distance is .40″, the calculation is .40/.071= 5.633.[*]Using the units from the sum (5), mark a reference point on the the die body and then turn the die down into the press 5 revolutions.[/list][*]Before the finer adjustment, mark the top of you adjusting screw with five “star’ points.[*]There is a bit more math involved but just take it in steps. The calculation is:
        [*]((distance required to seat plug-(number of die body turns used*.071))/.011). The steps to solve the .040″ used in the previous example are:
        [*]5*.071=.3571.[*].040-.3571=.0428[*].0428/.011=3.8571.[/list][*]Using the units from your sum, turn the Adjusting Screw in 3 “star” points[/list][*]Slowly raise the ram while verifying the case neck sizing by feel. The case should not meet heavy resistance while it is raised into the die.[*]Proper seating will take place at or after the calculated “star” point on your adjusting screw and prior to the next star point.[/list]


        Here are the steps detailed in images.

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        The idea behind an expander plug is to eliminate the case runout caused by shoving the oversized cast bullet into a sized case. Flaring a case does not ensure that the bullet will seat square in the case. Typically, they don’t and a non-concentric bulge can be seen. Here is the runout being measured from that sample case expanded with the NOE Expanding Plug. No measurable runout!

        Examining Case Runout on YouTube


        I’ve created a spreadsheet that does the calculations for me. I use Apache OpenOffice CalC, I’m not sure if opening the attached file in MS excel will properly format the calculations so I’ve included a screenshot with those calculations noted.

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        Setting up the NOE Powder Through Expander Plug with a any of the Lee powder measures is basically the same but with the additional consideration of the dispenser actuation. I will detail the setup of such in another topic.
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      Mike Bambauer
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        RD,
        Thanks for taking the time to show how you set up your expanders..
        This will save time and cases doing it by trial and error like I have done in the past..
        Looking at that last photo it looks like you dip your TL design bullets instead of tumble lubing them..
        Is that correct?

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          RD,
          Thanks for taking the time to show how you set up your expanders..
          This will save time and cases doing it by trial and error like I have done in the past..
          Looking at that last photo it looks like you dip your TL design bullets instead of tumble lubing them..
          Is that correct?

          You’re welcome.

          These are my TLC460-435-RF sized down to .458″ which cleaned up the body of the bullet. They were tumble lubed and I cleaned the noses on the those that I was going to load. I chuck them up in a battery powered drill, a little odorless mineral spirits on one of my boot socks and a couple of seconds. Keeps the dies clean.

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            Ranch Dog: My adventure……….
            I read your directions.  I’m using an expander for a .357, 147gr, RN 9mm bullet. I installed the expander plug in a Lee Universal Expander die.  The size is .359x.355.  I did all the measurements, did all the math, replaced a Lee expander with the NOE plug.
            Turned the Lee die down the number of turns I worked out.  It didn’t seem to do much expanding.  I tried turning the adjusting screw down more…and more…and more.  Nothing.  The plug was not reaching the shell.  After looking everything over this is what I had to do.
            I raised the ram, screwed the Lee die in until it touched the ram. Turned the adjusting screw as far as it would go and locked the plug in place.  That did it.  It worked.  I don’t have enough depth to seat the plug deep enough to get to the flare point, but that’s OK by me and if need be, I can grind the bottom of the die shorter.  So my expander works, sets up in a few minutes.  Boy did I spend time doing the calculations that didn’t work out.  What kind of Lee die did you use???  Mine is a Lee Universal Case Expanding Die, part # 90798.
            Walt

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            Full.Lead.Taco
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              Walt, there are two expander pieces in the Lee universal expander die.  For short pistol cases you can use both expander pieces inside the die (one is like a spacer), for longer cases, you take one out and only use one.  Not sure if you did this or not.  You should not have to grind a die to make it shorter.

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              walterstankiewicz
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                Some day I’ll learn to send pictures and till then.    My Lee die holds 2 plugs.  I replaced one with the M plug.  Inserted all the way in the die, the plug is 0.256″ short of the mouth of the Lee die.  With a 9mm shell the M plug does go into the shell by about .400″ and the 2nd stage goes into the shell by about .065″.  If the M die was .070″ deeper, it would be fully inserted in the 9mm shell, with a flare.
                So the M plug for the most part works, but gee, I’d like that extra .07″.  Thanks for you help.
                Oh, the problem is that the 9mm shell is only .750″ long.  I’m using a .359 x .355 Exp. plug fot a .357  bullet.

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