460-405 FN

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  • 2017-07-14 at 10:21 #489374
    Hugh Kuhns
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      Just bought a 45/70 and was looking for a mold and always felt that the 405 was the standard weight for it.  Seems it must be somewhat popular because there are none in stock.  Anyone else interested in a re-run of this mold?

      762sultan

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    • 2017-07-15 at 01:21 #508704
      matthewsaunoras
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        I just bought a new 45-70 too.  The $100 rebate on the 1895 is unbeatable. 

        I am definitely interested in a 460-405.  Actually I’d like to get my first hollowpoint mold too. 

        2017-07-18 at 22:19 #508705
        Hugh Kuhns
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          Hey! It just showed up today on weekly inventory and on 10% discount . Talk about good timing. That Al is always one step ahead of the game, isn’t he? Time for all you 45/70 shooters to pick up a new mould.

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          2017-07-18 at 23:46 #508706
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            Yeah I’ll say that was good timing.  Except on the part where I just got a 460-350 RD in the mail yesterday.  :P

            Ordered one anyways.  This is seriously addicting, I started casting to save money.  Just like reloading I guess too. 

            2017-07-19 at 04:12 #508707
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              I would certainly be interested in an NOE rendering of the classic Spence Wolf/Lee 405 grain hollow base bullet.

              2017-07-19 at 05:36 #508708
              Hugh Kuhns
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                I’m not familiar with that bullet can you tell me more? Maybe a drawing or a photo? Sounds interesting. Was it for a front loader or a early cartridge weapon? I know you shoot some large caliber guns from the early cartridge era. I might not be interested in a mould but am fascinated with some of those early large bore rifles.

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                2017-07-19 at 06:47 #508709
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                  The Lee 459-450-HB is a copy of the M1873 bullet first used in Springfield Trapdoor carbine and initial rifle ammunition, Spencer Wolf had Lee make this mould to the original designs, however I not sure how true to that design the current Lee offering is, my lee mould is 15 years old now and is one of the best Lee moulds I have, not that I have many good Lee moulds.

                  There is a good drawing of the original in Spencer’s book.

                  It is a hollow base round nose black powder cartridge design so not really suitable for modern smokeless loadings. In my mind the 45-70 is a black powder cartridge and when I see talk of it smokeless applications don’t appear in my thinking so probably not a suitable bullet for your needs.

                  2017-07-23 at 03:47 #508710
                  matthewsaunoras
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                    I cast some 460-405 RG4 hollow points tonight out of 20-1.  This is my first hollow point mold and I might as well forget all I know about dumping nice bullets out of regular molds.  No issues with pins sticking but I think I need to run the mold hotter somehow to get better fill out.  All the 4 cavity molds I own hold the heat better than the 2 cavity but this one needs more heat. 

                    2017-07-23 at 04:16 #508711
                    Full.Lead.Taco
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                      Did you preheat your house mold first?  Also what temp was your lead?  With the rg’s I always make sure to preheat them on the hot plate and run my lead a little hotter in the pot and cast fast to keep the molds hot.

                      2017-07-23 at 14:00 #508712
                      matthewsaunoras
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                        Yes I stick the mold on a hot plate while the alloy melts in the pot.  I usually run the melt a little hot at first around 750-800 then as the mold warms up I turn it down to 700-750. 

                        Most of my rejects were related to incomplete fill out.  I think I just need some more time with it.  I did get 80 shootable bullets out of it so all was not lost.  They’re just not as pretty as some I’ve made before

                        2017-07-23 at 14:37 #508713
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                          As well as heating the mould I like to give the pins and the sprue plate a zap with the blow torch as they can still be cold relative to rest of the mould, especially the pins sitting in empty cavities and not having much metal the cool a lot quicker than the rest of the mould and consequently cool the alloy when it enters the cavity.

                          2017-07-23 at 21:14 #508714
                          matthewsaunoras
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                            I did that too.  I heated the pins with a small butane torch before I made my first pour.

                            Here’s 30 finished ones with carnauba blue.  They came out good, it’s just going to take some learning. 

                            2017-11-19 at 12:32 #508715
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                              Very nice. I just wonder how this bullet would work with a powder coating instead of grease.

                              2017-11-19 at 23:19 #508716
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                                It does.  I’ve shot many before.  You don’t need slick sided designs  to powder coat bullets, it just helps them fall out of the molds easier.

                                Very nice. I just wonder how this bullet would work with a powder coating instead of grease.

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