458 TAC-X styled 460-450 ?

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    richardhart1
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      I hope the line drawing takes here .
      So here’s my thing . I have a 45 Raptor and a 45-70 and I aspire to a 45 American/WM so this makes sense to me .

      Basically I took the 458 TAC-X shape for the 458 SOCOM at 300 gr solid copper . A straight copy gets it 384 and change plus nose cavity fill etc so WW should get a solid to 390 .
      I stretched it from 1.23???? to 1.25 keeping the nose short enough for the 1895 at .45 from the top of the crimp groove (added) . As an after thought the bands should be rearranged or the middle band moved to out to .15 with grooves at .1 . My plastic school ruler doesn’t allow me to do the tapered grooves . I would want to keep the square bottom on the bottom band .
      I don’t have a mould # reference for the Pope gas check shank but even on a 270 dia bullet it looks tapered and exaggerated in length leaving a lube groove above the check on the shank . I would like to follow that pattern here to use this as both a sub and supersonic bullet . My target weight is 450 gr but I’d be happy if that were exceeded and not upset if it will only go 425 . Because of my want for the sub and high BC keeping the nose small is a strong desire .
      I have no clue about HP performance in this context but I don’t think a .15 wide by deep is going to do much in terms of lowspeed expansion so I’ll leave that on the table for the draftsman . Personally I’d cast it out of 50/50 maybe softer .

      As a practical option I’m also interested in a .451-2 as a smokeless paper patched for 458 dia and we could swing it either way . HPs are fine also if it is able to be done .

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      Full.Lead.Taco
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        if there is a little more interest, I can draw it up in the good ol program according to your specs on your paper.

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        Hugh Kuhns
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          I would like to see it at 450/475 grains.

          762sultan

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          richardhart1
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            This many looks and just one hit doesn’t look really promising having put it out on a couple of other forums as well ……..
            Probably just too soon .

            The only real priority is the nose length , it needs to be held to .448 from the top of the crimp groove to the nose to run in Marlin . I think I have a radius error for the nose  . I think it says 2.5″ it should be closer to 1.3″ .  If it’s not clear the bands/grooves should be equal length . The HP is purely elective , I’d rather have the smaller nose personally .

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            AlvinYork
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              So this thing would have a gas check which you seem to allude to in your post? It looks like a bevel base . . .

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              richardhart1
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                The shank could be sized for that . I would use it more as a rebated BT .  Squibb and Pope used a similar design .

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                richardhart1
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                  I want to mimic this but stretch the bands and grooves to get from very close to 400 gr , an exact copy would of course be a huge HP and 384 gr , to get to 450ish . I want it for a subsonic sledgehammer cast to maybe ACWW 12-14 BHN .

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                  richardhart1
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                    I guess it would have helped if I’d actually attached a picture of what I wanted to do a cover of but stretch and rebate ….

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