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I can change your request to brass if you want at this point and update the list…
Your call…As to the other two members OGC4 & TinCan, Schofield or you can PM them by going to the personal message forum and typing their forum names in…
I normally copy myself on any PMs alsoI think I would prefer aluminum. That seems to be the standard. I have no reason to prefer brass.
matthewchapman
Description: 269-163-RN-W6
1. Schofield Alum 269-163-RN-W6 5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2. OGC4 Alum 269-163-RN-W6 Cavities PB or GC ?
3. TinCan Alum 269-163-RN-W6 Cavities PB or GC ?
4. Softwarejanitor Alum 269-163-RN-W6 2 or 5 Cav GC
5. Sigma ? 269-163-RN- W6 Cavities PB or GC ?
6. Mike B. Alum 269-163-RN-W6 2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate
7. kermode1022 Alum 269-163-RN-W6 2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
8. matthunt101 Alum 269-163-RN-W6 5 Cav GC
9. selair_chapman Alum 369-163-RN-W6 5 Cav GC
Just confirming I am in for 269. My poor little carcano is scared of 369 😮
Mike B.
Thanks for catching that…
I have corrected that faus pas… with regard to my index finger’s spelling error…
I was thinking about the three individuals who we need to hear from in regard to fleshing out their mould requests with specifics… and my finger typed a three instead of a two…It is good that at least you are checking the replies to keep me honest…
That being said … Here is that list once again…
Description: 269-163-RN-W6
1. Schofield Alum 269-163-RN-W6 5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2. OGC4 Alum 269-163-RN-W6 Cavities PB or GC ?
3. TinCan Alum 269-163-RN-W6 Cavities PB or GC ?
4. Softwarejanitor Alum 269-163-RN-W6 2 or 5 Cav GC
5. Sigma ? 269-163-RN-W6 Cavities PB or GC ?
6. Mike B. Alum 269-163-RN-W6 2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate
7. kermode1022 Alum 269-163-RN-W6 2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
8. matthunt101 Alum 269-163-RN-W6 5 Cav GC
9. selair_chapman Alum 269-163-RN-W6 5 Cav GCSchofield
The current 269-163-RN mould inventory still shows one Lyman TP in stock…
I can update the list to show that you want a TP, but I imagine that the a new inventory run would quite possibly also include TPs… After all you cannot properly finish the job without using TP.
Your call on adding it… at this point in the game… to your request …
Personally i’ve never needed more than an inexpensive melting pot… A whole lot of heat near by tends to need a good bit of thermal protection for the electronic circuitry not to be cooked, or have its electronic life shortened by a continued high temperature source near by…
I have several 20 pound basic lead pots… and have them setup to dispense different alloys that range from pure lead for holy black to hard ball for those cast bullets who might need a bit of antimony in their mix…
If you feel that you need more bells and whistles then go for it… I am not really the one to ask about fancy bells and whistles…
Your call on the fancy electronic temperature controls… Personally I have never had a pot with an electronic control… But then … that is just me… just something else to have to watch and that can thermally fail … or have its life shortened…
You can specify a hole to be drilled for a thermal probe when you order on the normal mould order web page and that will be drilled for you prior to its shipment to you…
If we ever get this inventory run request onto the launch pad & into liftoff mode…Sometimes if I am worried about getting a mould too hot I have a second similar mold that can trade off, or that is different enough to allow me to differentiate its cast offspring…
NOE has a Temperature page at the store site… that you might want to look into… if you never have been surfing at the NOE store…
Personally the following link to measuring lead temperature has been enough for me..
But then I am more of a basic sort when it comes to lead casting… and have even cast a bullet or two with an iron pot over a fire in my early mountain man days…Also personally I tend to start with the lead pot full and limit my casting runs to an hour or two. With a four or five cavity mould that is a whole lot of cast bullets at the end of that time… I have a rather large ladle with a long handle that I dump the excess that the sprue plate cuttings into… that tends to slow me down enough to keep the mould from getting too hot and every so often I add those cuttings back into the pot to keep the lead temperature more on an even keel…
Boy… I can hear the other casters now when they read my last… sentence…
However it works for me, & floats my lead boat… so don’t knock it… and I won’t knock your casting peculiarities… But I digress…NOE has… from what the store inventory says is 97 of the basic lead thermometers in stock…
Your call on how you want to control the temperature of your particular alloy as each alloy tends to melt and become liquid depending on the amount of tin and antimony in the mix… so one mans setting for an alloy may not be the next mans setting if the alloy mix changes to any extent… just as one mans meat is another mans poison…
Take Care, & Stay Safe…
My plan is to crimp the g/c’s on with a .268 sizing die. I imagine most here requesting g/c’s would be doing something similar. Does NOE make these? I have a standard Lee press and typically use the lee punch through sizing kits.
Getting a Lee sizing die kit in .268 may be a problem. Even the common calibers are back ordered to ridiculous extents. I got a .358, a .356 and a .452, but I had to pay ridiculously over Lee’s MSRP on eBay to get them. Everywhere else is OOS and usually no backorder available.
I also have a couple Lee presses, Classic Cast, Challenger, Turret, etc.
I’d love for a .269 sizer die for crimping my GCs, but I have no faith I will be able to find them, so I will probably end up having to improvise something else.
Gentlemen
Personally I use one of my commercial lubrisizers to initially set & crimp on the gas checks prior to the lubing step lately.
I find doing it that way lets me concentrate on each individual step in the process.
Being old school I personally do not tend to powder coat… but then that is just me…
You are probably going to find I believe that you will need to seat those GCs by running them through the press base first… rather than nose first in order to do them quickly and to get them on straight…
That normally entails mounting the press mfg that you commented on upside down vs the normal right side up view of things…
In some instances I do use the NOE Nose and Base sizers as I have those also in most of the sizing .001 step sizing diameters…
The current lack of NOE die bodies in stock has also prevented me from commenting on that method of GC installation as the alternate method of GC installation using the NOE sizing tooling and the appropriate body tooling… as one needs the whole package to be effective in that method of GC application… or sizing as there is not an option to back order that item at the NOE store…
The one bright spot in all of this is that NOE just updated its store inventory a day or two ago to include 50 plus of the top punch holders. So maybe that is a ray of sunshine here… in that department…
It is basically why I did not comment earlier as you mentioned you wanted instruction for installing GCs using a lee press which is not the way that I normally do it… but it can be done via that method also…
If you plan to using one of the name brand lubrisizers to lube and or final size… PM me and I will put you onto a source that I just checked when I read this latest comment that has both sizes in stock .268 & .269 among others in stock… Plus they tend to also make their own duplicates for the major brands of lubrisizing equipment…
However it is not the particular brand of equipment that you both have been discussing…
The reason that I do not post alternate brands or other mfg sources on the forum for me is a courtesy to the manufacturer whose forum we are utilizing… Please understand that you both are free to post as you please…
I sincerely hope that you both understand…
Have you thought about aluminum GCs or are you both married to the Copper versions…
Aluminum is softer than copper and can also be made and stocked quite readily.
No not by me…
We can also talk privately about that via PM…
Take Care, & Stay Safe…
Gentlemen
Personally I use one of my commercial lubrisizers to initially set & crimp on the gas checks prior to the lubing step lately.
I find doing it that way lets me concentrate on each individual step in the process.
Being old school I personally do not tend to powder coat… but then that is just me…
I’m new to all this. I am going to try powder coating to see how it works. I bought a sampler pack of powder coat colors, some black airsoft pellets, a couple small plastic containers, a cheap toaster oven and some non-stick aluminum foil. I think that is pretty much everything I need. My original plan had been to use Liquid Alox tumbling to lube bullets. It was suggested to me that was very messy and I should try the powder coating.
You are probably going to find I believe that you will need to seat those GCs by running them through the press base first… rather than nose first in order to do them quickly and to get them on straight…
That normally entails mounting the press mfg that you commented on upside down vs the normal right side up view of things…
In some instances I do use the NOE Nose and Base sizers as I have those also in most of the sizing .001 step sizing diameters…
The current lack of NOE die bodies in stock has also prevented me from commenting on that method of GC installation as the alternate method of GC installation using the NOE sizing tooling and the appropriate body tooling… as one needs the whole package to be effective in that method of GC application… or sizing as there is not an option to back order that item at the NOE store…
The one bright spot in all of this is that NOE just updated its store inventory a day or two ago to include 50 plus of the top punch holders. So maybe that is a ray of sunshine here… in that department…
It is basically why I did not comment earlier as you mentioned you wanted instruction for installing GCs using a lee press which is not the way that I normally do it… but it can be done via that method also…
If you plan to using one of the name brand lubrisizers to lube and or final size… PM me and I will put you onto a source that I just checked when I read this latest comment that has both sizes in stock .268 & .269 among others in stock… Plus they tend to also make their own duplicates for the major brands of lubrisizing equipment…
However it is not the particular brand of equipment that you both have been discussing…
The reason that I do not post alternate brands or other mfg sources on the forum for me is a courtesy to the manufacturer whose forum we are utilizing… Please understand that you both are free to post as you please…[
I sincerely hope that you both understand…
As I said, I’m new to this, and I am not really even sure what all NOE offers. When I was searching here, most of what I would want to get was out of stock, so I’ve had to do a lot of searching to find anything. Sadly that is the way it is with almost any firearms related supplies, parts, tools and equipment right now. I’ve used a lot of the brand which I had been talking about before for years so I am familiar with them. I know that a lot of people don’t like some or all of their products or the company in general.
Have you thought about aluminum GCs or are you both married to the Copper versions…
I bought 500 of the copper 6.5mm gas checks from the place you recommended to me in PM, so I expect not to need more any for a while.
Aluminum is softer than copper and can also be made and stocked quite readily.
No not by me…
We can also talk privately about that via PM…
I may be interested in learning how to make my own GCs for other calibers though. I’m planning on casting for .358 and .430 for cartridges like .357 Mag and .44 Mag which a GC might be beneficial or even necessary for full power loads. But that is probably a ways down the line. My first attempts will most likely be used for lighter target loads. I’d need to get molds that were for GC instead of FB to do that anyway.
Take Care, & Stay Safe…
You’ve really been a lot of help for a newb to bullet casting like me.
In anticipation of potentially seeing the out of stock body dies becoming an in stock item… In the very near future…
The above is a link to an NOE .269 body die…
In anticipation of potentially seeing the out of stock body dies becoming an in stock item… In the very near future…
The above is a link to an NOE .269 body die…
So how does that work? What other parts do you need? Bushing, pushrod and die body? Or is there more to it than that?
You basically need the proper sizing kit, & the specific Body and Nose sizers depending on what exactly on your cast bullets that you wish to size… Powder coating you will find tends to add at least .002 in thickness to the diameter … more depending on how thick the coating is as you get familiar with that process…
So you may just have to also size after powder coating to get back to the final diameter that you plan to seat into your cartridge case…
You may find that you will only be able to do 25 or 30 cast bullets at a time in a baking batch… so that the batch does not end up drying and gluing your cast product together… with dried powder coat… you see you also do not want the powder coated bullets to touch each other when you are getting ready to bake in your toaster oven…
NOE has a whole plethora of sizing kits including a push rod for each of the kit diameters.
NOTE: The Push rod needed…needs to be smaller than the smallest body diameter that you plan to push through… said body sizing die… so try not to skimp on those, push rods… & do not try to use a push rod on a smaller diameter kit body sizing die … than what is listed under as the smallest body diameter listed on that sizing kit page… otherwise you may end up with the push rod stuck in the body sizing die as it is meant to pass completely through said sizing die when you are sizing your cast bullet…
Here is the link to the 6.5 MM sizing kit.
https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/sizing-tools/sizing_kits/264-caliber-sizers/
If you plan other diameters once you are on the 264 page just click on the sizing tools… the page that comes up should show the links to the other sizing kit pages… as they are labeled like 22 and 22 air… etc… as examples…
Hopefully the die bodies will be included in a production run in the near future… so that the complete sizing kits can be ordered at one time… as you may find at the moment that all of the body dies show out of stock … with no backorder option currently listed…
Also the attachment with more sizing dies that may not be necessarily the most popular but do indeed have their uses…are listed in the same separate area that the .269 link will take you to…
The new store website has apparently split the up some of the sizing components up and listed those items elsewhere. … It is what it is…
So it now may potentially take a bit more time to find everything that you need once you explore this attached link, & the one that I put on the forum that linked you to the .269 body bushing… depending on what specifically that you are looking for in sizing components…
NOE used to have a link to their sizing die instructions in how to use the NOE kits that unfortunately I cannot find any more…
NOE PM’s unfortunately do not allow attachments.
The original NOE PDF file that I copied way back when is Unfortunately too large to be able to attach said document here on the forum… and I do not have permission to upload large PDFs …
So email intel via PM is the only way at the moment to get those original NOE sizing die assembly & use instructions to those who may be interested in the pdf copy that I made way back when… that intel was more readily available to those who might be new to the game and need that basic intel to know what to order…
softwarejanitor
matthewchapman
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