- This topic is empty.
-
Topic
-
Schofield
-
Replies
-
softwarejanitor
Thanks again Mike, those images made it make a whole lot more sense. Too bad the die body isn’t available right now. I may buy the .269 bushing and the .264 push rod now while they are in stock to make sure when the die bodies are available I already have the other parts I need. It would be super frustrating to have them be out of stock when the die body becomes available.
I just went ahead and ordered those two items, hopefully the rest of what I need will be available by the time the bullet mold is available. I’m wondering if they’ve seen this thread and are possibly going to do a run. I think we’ve got pretty firm demand for at least 5 of the 5 cavity GC molds, although as I’ve said, I’m up for any number of cavities, so 2, 5, I’m there. I bet if they did 10 or even more that they’d sell all or at least most of them pretty quickly if they were in stock. Lots of people out there with new Carcanos that could use these bullets because there is really nothing suitable available for sale anywhere. I think with the right sizer these bullets would probably work OK in a 6.5 Swede Mauser too. I have one of those, but .264 jacketed bullets are more easily found, so I haven’t been compelled to cast like I have been for the Carcano.
Mike B.
Softwarejanitor,
The initiators of two of the airgun moulds that also have at least 5 requests for those moulds apparently yesterday called Al via telephone, & apparently each spoke to Al directly … They then posted in their forum threads that they got intel on the status of their air gun moulds future inventory runs… but not the specifics of that intel…
So maybe Schofield as the initiator of this 6.5 MM bullet mould forum string you may need to do that if you would… via telephone as Al may be too busy to answer his emails… in regard to this forum string too…
Being basically deaf… I do not tend to use the telephone any more… as my fingers now do all my talking via email or forum postings… so me calling on behalf of the various inventory buy requests is unfortunately not an option here… Sorry about that…
I started a forum request for more of the out of stock the Die Bodies… a good while back.
However no one ever joined in on that email thread… at that time to request a new inventory run of that item… so it may have died a quiet death in favor of more posted requests for moulds… as sizing a year or so ago… did no good… if one did not have the moulds in hand to cast the bullets back then…
Maybe we need to start another forum thread… on What You Would like to see Ran set of postings in regard to replacement die bodies for those new to the game individuals… who want to utilize NOE sizing products… but are stopped due to fact that no die bodies are currently listed as being available to flesh out the NOE sizing die kits…
It would certainly help all those who are still using a primer & an oxidizer propellent vs just air… to propel their projectiles…
Page 3 of the just posted NOE bushing instructions has the NOE telephone number along with the NOE address in the lower right hand corner of that instruction document… Please also see that attached intel below…
Sizing kits have traditionally had one die housing included in the kit but three sizes of spacer sleeves small, medium, and large…
Way back when before the store forum page was changed the original kits at that time had the following attached items listed below as components in that sizing kit… Whether all of those parts are still included… I unfortunately cannot say… I provided the second attachment as hopefully a bit of further help for those looking to size using NOE product.
Since I tend to have more than one setup / project running at one time… I ended up getting at least two more die housings to flesh out the set… and to allow me to have more than one setup for nose or body sizing at one time… for each of the spacer sleeve diameters… I could possibly use one more die housings… if you start a new forum request string…
NOTE: on that detail … NOE recommends sizing down no more than a .001 or .002 per sizing step using its body sizing dies. I haven’t seen that NOE Cautionary sizing notation recently… though I may have missed it…
So do not try to take too big a bite sizing your cast bullets down in size… It may take a step or two depending on what you are trying to do… with the NOE body sizing bushings…
It tends to take more than one bite to eat an elephant…
Just good to know intel…
Take Care, & Stay Safe…
I think I only need the die body, spacer sleeve small and base first top punch holder. I already have the .269 bushing on order.
I probably wouldn’t need the spacer sleeve medium or large. If I wanted to size other sizes, I’d generally prefer to buy a die body for each bushing so I could leave them assembled and not mess with swapping parts in and out.
Your call on that…
Sounds about right … though I would have to look back on the original posted instructions for using the NOE product reference to make sure that I had all the bits and pieces that I needed.
You may find that you need another component or two … so check the jpg pages that I attached on the bushings just to be sure…
I may just add those attachments elsewhere down the line… so that others can use the intel to determine what NOE sizing product that they want…
I originally bought the set as it was cheaper to do that than buy the individual components À la carte for me.
I added a couple of Die body housings not too long afterwards to augment the original set… for my specific purposes…OBTW…
I have started a forum subject on what I want to see run On those NOE Die Body Housings…
You and your friends who also want NOE sizing material might want to sign in on that string and post that you want one…
Just a thought…A question was asked a while back about other cartridges that can use the 269-163 RN
In an attempt to answer that question I have also loaded that same cast bullet into the Swedish and the Arisaka… with good results… for my self and others to try … sized accordingly.
I have attached from Quick Design the cartridge dimensions for the Carcano, the Swede, & the Arisaka… for your edification…Take Care, & Stay Safe…
I have a 6.5 Swede Mauser, so it would be possible for me to use these cast bullets with it. I hadn’t really been planning on it since ammo for the Swedish Mausers and .264 bullets have been more readily available. However, if supply issues in the market continue like they are, that might change, so being able to cast for it might be a good thing.
Try it with the Swede once the mould is run… and you have it in hand…
Your Nordic brother to the Italian may just like it fine too…
Also you may find that cast is a whole lot cheaper to make up & shoot…
Your Call…
Take Care & Stay Safe…I figure that I may need a different sizer bushing for the Swede, that remains to be seen. I’ll check it out when I get to casting for the Carcano what it would take to also use those bullets in the Swede. I am sure that it would be much cheaper to run cast than jacketed. With powder coating and gas checks I don’t figure leading or bore cleanliness in general should be a big deal.
In other news, there was someone posting on the Cast Boolits forum about 6.5 Carcano and lack of mold availability so I posted a link to this thread so maybe hopefully he will show up and add to our list and maybe get things moving quicker.
softwarejanitor
You will find that the actual alloy that you intend to use will affect the final as cast bullet diameter, the bullet weight, & etc…
Pure lead will shrink the most in diameter as it cools, and also cause the final cast weight to be the most…
Being naturally soft it may even start to lead you barrel sooner even with a GC… Powder Coat or not…
The more tin in the alloy that that you use the less the as cast bullets diameter will shrink, & also the bullet will be lighter by a few grains as tin weighs less than lead… as per the archimedes principle…
NOE bases its cast bullet weight software calculations on Wheelweight alloy except for different airgun pellet moulds which need to be cast of Pure lead… and are so listed on those bullet design sketches…
YOU see when you cut a mould knowing what the customers alloy that he or she plans to use can be factored into the machining so that the as cast with that alloy will tend to be the most accurate…
Once you have the mould in hand then the fun can begin…
Take Care, & Stay Safe…
Mike B.Schofield
wcn2018
wcn2018
You are now on the list… as you requested…
Description: 269-163-RN-W61. Schofield Alum 269-163-RN-W6 5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2. OGC4 Alum 269-163-RN-W6 ? Cav PB or GC ?
3. TinCan Alum 269-163-RN-W6 ? Cav PB or GC ?
4. Softwarejanitor Alum 269-163-RN-W6 2 or 5 Cav GC 4-16-21
5. Sigma ? 269-163-RN- W6 ? Cav PB or GC ? 3-26-21
6. Mike B. Alum 269-163-RN-W6 2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate 3-29-21
7. kermode1022 Alum 269-163-RN-W6 2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate 4-09-21
8. matthunt101 Alum 269-163-RN-W6 5 Cav GC 4-09-21
9. selair_chapman Alum 269-163-RN-W6 5 Cav GC 4-16-21
10. wcn2018 ? 269-163-RN-W6 5 Cav GC 4-26-21Aluminum Or Brass for the mould block.?
Here also is the link to the sizing die bodies thread:
https://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,3081.0.htmlYou may find… if you look… that there are no sizing die bodies in stock in any of the sizing choice locations on the NOE store site…
If you plan to order NOE sizing components …
You may need to look at what bushings are still in stock, & say so… also…
I believe that I also posted the original NOE sizing die set of instructions there too … Which might possible be of interest to you too…Take Care , & Stay Safe…
Mike B.softwarejanitor
You will find that the actual alloy that you intend to use will affect the final as cast bullet diameter, the bullet weight, & etc…
Pure lead will shrink the most in diameter as it cools, and also cause the final cast weight to be the most…
Being naturally soft it may even start to lead you barrel sooner even with a GC… Powder Coat or not…
The more tin in the alloy that that you use the less the as cast bullets diameter will shrink, & also the bullet will be lighter by a few grains as tin weighs less than lead… as per the archimedes principle…
NOE bases its cast bullet weight software calculations on Wheelweight alloy except for different airgun pellet moulds which need to be cast of Pure lead… and are so listed on those bullet design sketches…
YOU see when you cut a mould knowing what the customers alloy that he or she plans to use can be factored into the machining so that the as cast with that alloy will tend to be the most accurate…
Once you have the mould in hand then the fun can begin…
Take Care, & Stay Safe…
Mike B.I have calipers and scales that weigh in grains, so I can check weight and diameter. I also have lead ingots and some tin ingots. If my bullets are shrinking too much I can add more tin. I’m not planning on pushing these too fast, nowhere near max loads, so the weight isn’t critical, as long as I can make it fairly consistent. I will probably sort the bullets into batches of similar weights to hopefully make more consistent groupings. I may powder coat the batches different colors to make it easy to keep that straight. I bought a variety pack of powder colors, and I need to see which ones work best anyway.
Once again, thanks for all your advice on this. It really helps a newbie out.
softwarejanitor
Mike B.
wcn2018
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.