30 caliber HP mold

Both cast bullets have NOE clones listed in the 30 caliber mould category.

The (NOE 311-179-FN), which is listed as the 315 clone… unfortunately that one is currently out of stock of GC’s, at the moment …

Unless of course … you are planning to feed some subsonic 300 Blackout cases. In which case there are still some PB versions showing as still in stock.

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/bullet-moulds/308-311/311-179-fn-i5/

The immediate option (NOE 311-184-FN) which currently still has stock available, & which is also listed as the NOE version of 311041

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/bullet-moulds/308-311/311-184-fn-j5/

Both tend to shoot well… It all depends on your preferences, your druthers, & what hungry cartridge cases that you plan to feed.

Personally I tend to prefer the former… over the latter …

At least in this case the glass is half full…

One potentially has something to feed the hungry 30 caliber cartridge cases… this time out.

Take Care, & Stay Safe…

Actually, I have been having a machinist who does HP modifications according to my drawings & will HP almost any diameter cast bullet mould … PM me if you are interested in that HP source.

There are certain HP design parameters that must be followed… It is what it is…

I’ve had a goodly number of calibers hollow pointed to my specifications even going as low as a 6.5 MM for a Japanese 6.5 x 50 cartridge design that tends to deliver almost pin point accuracy…

In some instances where the HP version is out of stock I get a non HP mould, & have it modified to be something quite similar, & solve the issue in that manner …

Take for instance the NOE 311-206… which is at the moment currently out of stock on HPs but has stock in the non HP versions.

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/bullet-moulds/308-311/311-206-rn-k2/

In virtually every case I have been able to design an HP version that has been tested and found no complaints from those who have tried them…

I do the math and calculate the pin draft angle… I also tend to utilize at least a 7 degree draft angle which helps to drop the cast product off the pins… It is what it is.

You can of course try to get a number of members to also commit to a certain HP stock that is currently out of stock and go that route.

I can start another unofficial list… if that is indeed your pleasure.

The aforementioned alternative is not cheap, however in this day and age of shortages … it tends to get the job done… & the itch scratched.

Your call on how you want to proceed…

You might possibly want to be a bit more specific on which mould that you would like to try to get a HP mould option designed for…

Otherwise you may just be spinning your wheels for items that may unfortunately never be made or available.

At least the 311-206 is currently offered… any new design in a 30 caliber or any other calibers would most probably need at least twice that number of requests to get a potential new HP design off the ground…

Take Care, & Stay Safe

If you mean that you are willing to wait until until NOE makes some more of the 315-91 WC’s, I would be willing to wait with you…

Otherwise one will have to get a similar mould design made and then get that mould hollow Pointed or seat that bullet as a Hollow Based projectile …

Depending on which way one seats the cast product, & if the nose needs a slight sizing or not… to just above bore diameter for a hollow point design … option

Otherwise, also one may need to consider sizing down to a more traditional 30 caliber mould design… like for the 30 carbine in a revolver.

NOE Mould Description
Description
The 315-91-WC-BA3-102 is a 2 Cavity Alum. mould. This mould drops a .315 caliber Hollow Base 91 grain bullet with a Wadcutter profile type. Designed for use in .32 S&W .32 H&R Magnum and .327 Federal. This is an RG2 Removable Guide Style Hollowpoint mould. This mould can be converted to flat point cup point or hollowpoint by changing pins.

If the 315-91 is the mould that you have referenced as your meat then…  I will start a request list with both our names on it…

Any preference on the number of cavities … or what ever Al decides to make?

Personally I tend to think that I would prefer the two cavity version I.E. 315-91-WC RG2.
In that way Al will tend to know which RG mould that one is waiting for another run of.

Anyone else want in on requesting a new run of the 315-91 WC, Please post your preference & I will add your name to the list… so that Al might see the number of requests for this mould continue to grow …

1. Mike B.              315-91-WC RG2 Aluminum… One mould at least … possibly two …  depending 8-12-22
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Take Care, & Stay Safe…

The 311-179 FN RG mould is similar in shape to the Original Saeco #315 mould in design… I should know as the actual Saeco #315 actually listed as a .312 diameter 175 Gr cast product in a non HP design format.

Plus I believe that I have one of both versions in a non HP format in my war bag … Plus a third version of that mould design format, from another mould manufacturer

All three are similar, & slightly different in meplat width, & most notably in tapered design dimensions.

That being said…

The 311-179 is indeed similar in its basic shape … to the Saeco #315 … although the tapered dimensions between the original Saeco #315 & the NOE 311-179-FN GC HP tend to be different … animals…

With an NOE RG mod the weight as noted by NOE as being ~ a 164 grain cast bullet in wheelweights.

I’ll let you decide on the flight abilities of the NOE version… should a new run of those moulds be produced down the line…

That being said… I sincerely wish you luck in your mould request endeavor … for a new run of these moulds specifically in an HP type…

To that end … here is the start of a list to try to help you along in your 30 caliber HP request… for a new run of 311-179 FN GC’s in an RG format…

You may note that I also added the 311-179 FN GC … to the title of the subject string reply to try to aid you in your endeavor to gather requests for this mould down the line…

You may want to add that bit of intel to any future postings for this NOE cast product mould.

You most probably will need to push the velocity on the NOE mould to faster than 1600 FPS as you may note that NOE did not produce this HP mould in a PB version.

I have also added a link to that particular mould to this reply for the convenience of the other members of the forum.

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/bullet-moulds/308-311/311-179-fn-i5/

1. 762sultan    311-179-FN GC HP RG2, RG4? Aluminum, or Brass ?  8-12-22
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1. 762sultan      311-179-FN-RG4-GC  Aluminum                                      8-12-22
2. WALEONE    311-179-FN-RG4-GC Brass or RG2 + a Lyman TP          8-12-22  8-16-22
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In the for what its worth department … you gentlemen might want to check out this internet website in regard to Saeco mould intel.

http://ps-2.kev009.com/ohland/Cast_Bullet/SAECO_Molds/SAECO_Bullet_Mould_List.html

Also it might help to click on the obsolete moulds html

Providing a direct link solicits a 404 response…

Take Care, & Stay Safe…

You are now listed as a 4 cavity aluminum request as requested.

You gentlemen might want to look at the NOE versions as the meplat on the HPs is a different diameter than the non HP versions.

I.E. .173 meplat, with a 1.007 OAL for the non HP versions.

Description
311-179-FN-I5 2 cavity 1GC 1PB (Saeco #315)

The HP versions are listed with a .200 meplat, with a .943 OAL for the HP versions…

Description
The 311-179-FN-I5-112 is a 4 Cavity Aluminum mould. This mould drops a .311 caliber Gas Check 179 grain bullet with a Flat nose profile type. Our improved version of the classic Saeco 315. This is an RG4 Removable Guide Style Hollowpoint mould. This mould can be converted to flat point cup point or hollowpoint by changing pins.

If you read between the lines in regard to the details on the Saeco obsolete pages html previously mentioned on the forum thread’s posting …

It tends to also appear that the #312 and the #313 designations are most probably custom versions of the #315 basic mould design.

The moulds produced tended to want some specific designation in regard to the fact that they were not the standard #315 Saeco mould … product.

Saeco apparently didn’t tend to list much on the mould body, nor on the mould sprue plate on his moulds…

Guess he figured that the individual ordering the special already knew what he had requested… up front.

Sort of like the NOE variations of the moulds that you both are currently requesting a new mould run of. Only Al tends to detail more intel than Saeco did on his produced product.

It is what it is…

While one can only be certain … up to a point on this… there is some basis for those “tweener mould numbers” that Saeco utilized as noted on that obsolete mould page in the legend section.

While there is nothing at all wrong with the variations … one simply needs to be aware that all the mould silhouettes are not the same…

Sort of like the – numbers that NOE currently utilizes to define the different mould variations available in the store catalog…

Finally … It is interesting that Saeco apparently did not recommend the #315 to be utilized as a hunting bullet, only as an accurate target bullet … in his originally designed tapered format…

One might wish to look forward to the hollow point results, should a new run of the 311-179 RG’s come to fruition.

I sincerely wish you luck in your requests for a new run of the 311-179 target mould design RG4’s.

Take Care, & Stay Safe…

What ever floats your boat…

The hunting comment was found in research into the original company & its scant history available on the internet.

I was simply relaying what I found in regard to the Saeco #315, #312 ,& #313 notation in his posting in regard to the original 315 mould… in the Saeco-Darr Rifle Company scheme of things… for WALEONE’s edification.

Incidentally I have an old original pamphlet from Saeco-Darr rifle company in my reference library…

Unfortunately it does not have a publication date in that pamphlet that I could find… Moulds were just one of the many rifle manufacturing services offered.

No offense was meant or implied to your potential use… as a hunting bullet in regard to what ever potentially might possibly become available down the line… 

The original moulds were made up sans a HP version… for the target shooter crowd. that design apparently tended to produce a through and through hole due to its original tapered target design shape…

However you decide that you want to use the cast product makes no difference to me what so ever …

It will however be potentially interesting to see some ballistic accuracy data … if the new run is made down the line … in the GC HP version.

Also the data produced on the mushrooming capabilities from said ballistic test of said NOE HP design… at velocity…

Hopefully that will happen before all lead projectiles are banned across the country as hunting bullets …

It might also be interesting to see the potential difference in ballistic accuracy in a .200 meplat flat point … vs the .172 meplat…

I simply wanted all parties to note that as WALEONE stated that there are different versions of the that same basic mould design available out there … at the moment.

It was simply an extra bit of intel, so that one goes into a potential new run buy such as this with all the information potentially possible … on hand for any individual …

Who might potentially be interested in a new run of the NOE 311-179 both in a non HP version, & in a flat point RG version with the larger metplat.

That data comparison down the line between apples and oranges … might potentially also be interesting.

Right now, … your goal is to potentially get a new run made of the NOE 311-179 FN … ostensively including a HP version.

To do that one tends to need to get as many hard confirmed mould requests in the shortest possible time …

As I said previously… I sincerely wish you luck…

Take Care, & Stay Safe…

By all means stick to your reasoning for needing another mould…

It sounds good to me…

I myself am approaching somewhere around 400 in my war bag…

I tend to enjoy creating, & testing said moulds, … as much as researching the technical data that was used to produce them originally… & the reasons why.

My only point in this whole discussion of variations … is to try to make sure that everyone involved is appraised of all of the potential details.

I sincerely tend to wish you both luck in your request for the 311-179 HP GC (~164 GR) design … requests … Including meeting Al’s current new run request requirements, as noted below.

https://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,1624.0.html

One tends to think that original #315 design format … was much more like a target tipped arrow … that tended to pass completely through a target due to its rather pointed shaped design format.

However … who am I not to tend to want to scratch an itch…  Thus my interest in learning about any potential future ballistic expansion intel … should this set of requests gather a few more members interested and thus tend to reach the minimum amount limit of request to  tend to come to fruition, sooner than later.

There are also other custom mould makers and HP machinists to try to help one scratch an itch…

That is my reasoning … & I am sticking to it.

On the PB front … In the for what it is worth department.

There is a US source for plain based GC’s in that caliber … that can convert those last two PB’s into GC’s by putting aluminum litho plate (which is softer than the standard copper GC’s) bottoms on those PB baby 311-179’s to prevent them leaking lead at velocities above 1600 FPS.

However one is still faced with the .173 vs the .200 meplat and the difference in cast bullet nose taper, on that front…

Take Care, & Stay Safe…