269-163-RN-W6

softwarejanitor

You most probably will find that the most accurate alloy for your Italian Carcano, and its Nordic brethren will be pretty close to a wheelweight alloy… pushed towards the speed limit or not…

That is the fun part of the casting … for me … at least … to tweak the cast bullet to your particular firearm…

Since you figure to try to also powder coat this particular bullet design… it most probably will tend to cast a bit oversize what ever alloy that you choose to try… & may need to be sized before and after powder coating…

Normally if a mould is designed for powder coating the as cast diameter will tend to be on the low side of the cast bullet dimensional diameter tolerance to take into account the powder coating dimensional addition of materials… It is what it is…

When in your process you put the GC on will become a factor in your design too… before or after powder coating … Will your GC shank be too large in diameter once the cast bullet is powder coated… So don’t get discouraged if the first batch or two are not optimal… It is a learning experience…

Remember also that the original NOE bushing design recommended no more than a .002 max in sizing diameter. AS I said previously that particular cautionary note does not appear to be on the NOE store website any more…

“All knowledge is for good. Only the use to which you put it can be good or evil.”
“Take Care, & Stay Safe…”

wcn2018
Request list amended as requested…
                                      Description: 269-163-RN-W6

1.  Schofield              Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2.  OGC4                    Alum      269-163-RN-W6  ? Cav PB or GC ?
3.  TinCan                  Alum      269-163-RN-W6  ? Cav PB or GC ?
4.  Softwarejanitor    Alum      269-163-RN-W6  2 or 5 Cav GC                              4-16-21
5.  Sigma                    ?            269-163-RN- W6 ? Cav PB or GC ?                        3-26-21
6.  Mike B.                  Alum      269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate    3-29-21
7.  kermode1022        Alum      269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate    4-09-21
8.  matthunt101        Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                    4-09-21
9.  selair_chapman    Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                    4-16-21
10. wcn2018                Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC  + Teflon Sprue Plate  4-26-21

Thanks for getting back to the forum thread…

wcn2018 

You might want to look at the current 269-163-RN mould page to see what the offering variations are…

Here is the link to that mold page at the NOE store…

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/264-6-5mm/269-163-rn-w6/

I do not believe that NOE in this particular mould design has ever offered an RG version… of that of the 269-163-RN mould design.

If it were it would have been in an RG 2 (2 cavity) or an RG4 4 cavity mould design …  Had it been offered there would be a drawing showing those dimensions at the following NOE link…

http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,220.0.html

That is not to say that you cannot also request & purchase a smaller mould such as a 2 cavity model, & then have it converted to a hollow point version… of your own design…

There are machine shops out there that do offer a hollow pointing service …  Understand also that it will most probably cost at least twice if not three times as much as the 2 cavity original mould will cost you to have said mould drilled and machined to setup said mould for an hollow point pin design … 

Even at that there are limits to the HP size and HP pin taper to take into account… Otherwise the cast bullets will basically not have enough space between the mould body and the HP pins … If that happens the resultant alloy will not tend to want to fill out properly around the nose where it comes into contact to the HP pin.

NOE used to stock blank pins for their moulds in 2 & 4 cavity increments along with the supporting NOE hardware so that one could potentially make up a custom pin design… of one own….  or replace lost or damaged parts for the mould designs that they offered as an RG version.

Those items unfortunately have also been sold out for quite a long while now…

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/specialty-moulds/page/2/

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/specialty-moulds/page/3/

You will most probably also need to purchase a software package for designing cast bullets…. to draw up what you want… for the outside machine shop… as the machine shop will need to know what exactly it is that you want the HP cavity to look like …

NOE way back when was going to partner with a software design package manufacturer … to offer that same software package that I understand that NOE uses…

However that apparently never came to fruition… as I have never formally seen that offering for a goodly number of years now on the store website…

You should also know that if the draft angle taper on your HP pin design is setup for too shallow of a draft angle… the cast bullets will want to hang up on the pins as the HP Pin will cool too much to allow the cast bullet to drop off due to the different cooling rates of you alloy and the HP pin material…

I know…  as I have had a number of molds from various manufacturers converted to be an HP mould… and had to figure that cooling intel into my pin calculations… using a design software package originally recommended by Al to me … for this purpose…

Fortunately the design software package tends to want to prevent you from doing just that …

Understand also that it is a one way street and once you go down it the mould will no longer be a round nose variation…

Taking a .262 nose diameter and cropping the nose back to a .200 or to a .250 diameter will basically lighten the bullet and tend to make it almost a cylindrical cast bullet design.

The nose on the cast bullet has to basically be be bobbed (NOE’s standard pins were I believe .200 & .25 in diameter Pins) to create a wide enough meplat to accommodate the HP pin and leave a thick enough wall a the nose to allow said cast bullet to fill out properly around the HP cavity perimeter…

Which is why I noted that it might be best to order a second mould …
Your call on that ….

As to your handle question the answer is yes…

NOTE: Reported on various forums on that particular manufacturers handle design. Watch out that the wooden handles do not come off on you down the line… as that manufacturer does not tend to pin its wooden handles solidly to the metal portions of said handle components…  NOE’s version does not have that problem…

Nuff said…

Guess we may need another couple of threads on RG components and mould handles requests to have run…

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/mould-handles/mould-handles/

I spoke with Al yesterday and brought this thread to his attention. He said he was going to check on the thread and get it moved into the production que. There is currently a 16-18 week backlog in the work lined up but he is going to try to fit the run into the production schedule.

Wow.  Did he say what the bottleneck is?  It is just massive demand?  Lack of materials?  Lack of equipment/tooling?  Lack of labor?  Is there any plan to speed things up?

I know it is not just NOE.  A lot of firearms related products are also in short supply right now.

He didn’t really elaborate, if I had to guess its just due to the backlog demand and production schedule rather than a tooling problem.

We are in weird times.  Demand for product throughout the industry is massive, at least partially due to the possibility that we may see extensive bans and other oppression from the current Stalinesque regime.  But the threat of those bans (and collusion of big media and tech giants, use of cancel culture, banking laws and tax enforcement to go against anyone in industries like firearms that the socialists don’t like) seems to make manufacturers wary of making the investments needed to step up production to fill that demand.  Forced closures, employees scared by the socialist sympathizing media to be afraid to go to work, etc., have destroyed productivity up and down the whole supply and materials chains.

I don’t know if it is affecting availability of NOE products, but reloading tools in general have been subject to hoarding and “neckbearding”.  People seem to be buying up all available production of some of the big brands and then re-selling them at highly profiteering prices on eBay, etc.  Sometimes 2, 3 even 10 times the selling price of just a year or two ago.  Primers and powder are the worst (often asking 10x list prices on “Funbr0k3r”), but I’ve seen reloading dies, bullet molds and other tools selling for 2-3x list prices on eBay as well.

Now, I am not totally against people making a profit, but the people who are buying stuff just to flip it are really adding no value to the market, and what they are doing wouldn’t even be possible if industry was able to even come close to keeping up with demand.

wcn2018
You might also want to think about a .270 body sizer bushing too … depending on how hard your casting alloy that you plan to use is…

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/sizing-tools/bushings/264cal-bushings/264cal-270-body-bushing-b270/

Normally with lead one wants ~.001 larger.

Your call on that…

I need one of these molds, I’d take a 2 cavity but would prefer a three or a 4 cavity.

First time on this forum, not sure how to get in line to get one. I’ve already have a dozen plus NOE molds and ordered another mold this morning. One of the few in stock.

If it needs money down let me know. I’m not a tire kicker on this mold, I have two 6.5 M-S that NEEDS a profile as close to the original to feed correctly.

269-163-RN-W6 4 cavity GC

Sid

List updated…  5-6-21

1.  Schofield              Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate
2.  OGC4                  Alum        269-163-RN-W6  ? Cav PB or GC ?
3.  TinCan                  Alum      269-163-RN-W6  ? Cav PB or GC ?
4.  Softwarejanitor    Alum      269-163-RN-W6  2 or 5 Cav GC                                4-16-21
5.  Sigma                      ?        269-163-RN- W6 ? Cav PB or GC ?                          3-26-21
6.  Mike B.                  Alum      269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav PB + Teflon Sprue Plate      3-29-21
7.  kermode1022      Alum      269-163-RN-W6  2 Cav GC + Teflon Sprue Plate      4-09-21
8.  matthunt101        Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                        4-09-21
9.  selair_chapman    Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC                                      4-16-21
10. wcn2018              Alum      269-163-RN-W6  5 Cav GC  + Teflon Sprue Plate    4-26-21
11. Sid                            ?        269-163-RN-W6  4 Cav GC                                      5-05-21