Anyone have results with the Noe HTC 225-226-100 Grain Bullet yet

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    MEmeMEme
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      Anyone have results with the Noe HTC-225 or 226-100 Bullet yet

      what kind of grouping and powder loads are you testing

      Thanks

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      Full.Lead.Taco
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        You shooting it in an ar15 or bolt gun?  Subsonic or super?  I have a palmetto pistol upper on order to do some testing on this mold.  I want to see what it would take to get it to cycle in this upper at subsonic speeds.  I also want to try it in a 1/7 twist bolt 223 gun.  I will post my results when I have them, but if you want me to test something specifically, let me know.

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        MEmeMEme
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          My intent is subsonic in a Sig 516 5.56 1-7 twist. This is a piston gun with settable,adjustable gas block
          Was curious what others were seeing for results especially accuracy wise
          Thanks

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          Full.Lead.Taco
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            2 different schools of thought.  One is to use a faster pistol powder such as Trailboss, but it might be tricky to get enough gas pressure for it to cycle.  The second, is to use a slow burning rifle powder like RL22 or something with a similar burn rate and just have more unburnt powder coming out.  As far as accuracy goes, I have not done much testing yet.  I am waiting for my upper to come to test with.

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            MEmeMEme
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              picked this up off another website

              This testing isn’t going as smoothly as I initally anticipated.
              When I tested the inital load of 7.0 grains, I mentioned that I loaded ten. I fired five of them at a paper target to see if they grouped: I didn’t shoot them through a chronograph. Then I shot the other five through a chronograph. Out of those five I got three velocities that were very similar and I got two that were way off. So, I figured the chronograph didn’t pick those two shots up right and I threw those numbers out and reported an average velocity based on an average of only three shots (which was 942 fps). Now, based on my further testing, I think this is a bogus number. Maybe.
              Several days after the first attempt I loaded up another 10 rounds and shot all of them over the chrono. I got seven numbers that were fairly close together for an average of 935 fps. Note that this is a 1/2 grain more powder than the previous test but a lower average velocity. But, since this test was based on seven rounds instead of three, I tend to put more faith in it. The high was 991 and the low was 869 with a spread of 122 fps.
              Yesterday I decided to start getting serious about this. I loaded up thirty rounds and today I shot them over the chrono. I started off with 8.0 grains and got a nine shot average velocity of 1024 fps. The high was 1167 and the low was 948 for a spread of 219 fps Then 8.5 grains with gave me a ten shot average of 1045 fps. The high was 1226 and the low was 944 fps for a spread of 282 fps. Then 9.0 grains which gave me a ten shot average of 1201 fps. The high was 1291 and the low was 1075 fps for a spread of 216 fps.

              Put in easier to read format here is what I got, warts and all.

              7.0 grains = 942 fps (?)
              7.5 grains = 935 fps
              8.0 grains = 1024 fps
              8.5 grains = 1045 fps
              9.0 grains = 1201 fps Notice Velocity dropoff … too much powder

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              Full.Lead.Taco
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                which powder?

                #508140
                MEmeMEme
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                  Trail boss

                  here is the article the info is from
                  http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4632&start=0

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                  keithsharp
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                    Tite Group powder (5.5-6.5 grains) and 45/45/10 tumble lube works great in my 223 bolt action rifle. Velocity is about 1500-1600 fps and the small powder charge fouls barrel less.

                    I do not know if it will cycle in ar15 style rifle.

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                      Ive tried them with no good results.  Accuracy issues in my ar15 20 inch 1:7 and 1:8 twist guns. I tried 4198. Cfe223 and reloader 15. A few rounds fired with varget as well. Most of the rounds tumbled. I tried some loaded with red dot and they were ok but i wanted something that would cycle an ar15.  Linotype. Wheel weights. And a blend of lino and wheel weights didnt work. These were powder coated and sized .225. I took the mold and shortened it by .250″ and will try again with a lighter bullet

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                      MEmeMEme
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                        Starnge it seems to work on bolt actions but not AR15’s
                        without a few to load and cycle beginning to think that super long nose is being bent when hitting the feed ramp
                        some with the mold an an AR could confirm that though

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                          I shortened my mold to make 75 grain out of it. . I dont think its the nose being bent from feeding as the rifles shot terribly singled loaded as well

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                          MEmeMEme
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                            well guess that settles that then .. Just too long to stabilize then

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                            harmongreer
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                              My shortened bullets shot fast also performed terribly. 3.3 grains of titegroup and it was a tack driver. I loaded 25 grains of imr 4831 and the shortened bullet at 71 grains 20 inch 1:7 twist gun. Five rds at 20 yds wouldnt stay on an IPSC target. I tried 20 grains of cfe 223 and it was much better. More testing is certainly needed

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