Introducing Carnauba Blue and the NOE 411-251WFN in a 405 Win

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I have received many requests for a softer, no-heat, version of Carnauba Red. So I finally sat down and started working the details out testing many variations and lots of range time with a wide range of calibers.
The lube that I ended up with is softer and less tacky and performed great in a wide range of pressures and velocities.  It’s operating temp is 65-95F with a melt temp of 160F.  If your loading room is colder than 65F, then it may take a little heat to get things flowing in the luber.  A light bulb set next to the luber for 15min should work great.

I started working with the 30-06XCB and have pushed it to 2800fps+ so far with an absolutely clean barrel.  My barrel is a 14” twist, so the accuracy may fall apart if pushed much farther.  One thing I did notice is the 1st shot flyer was very close to the group for several targets.  I did get side tracked here seeing if I could keep it inside the group and burned up most of the bullets that I had prepped, so I didn’t get to the high end of things yet.

Here is the 30-06XCB with the 165XCB bullet sized to .311” loaded to 3.055” with 38gns of H4895 for 2490fps

Here is the 30-06XCB built by Tim Malcomb of MBT.

   

Next I turned to the M95 405Winchester.  I lubed and sized some NOE 411-251LFN bullets to .413”.  I have the plain based and gaschecked molds, so I started with the plain base one first. 

22grains of Herc 2400 gave 1579fps and left the barrel totally clean.  I started to get leading as I approached 25 grains and 1724fps.
I switched to the gas checked bullets, again sized to .413”, and the same 25 grains gave a clean barrel.  I tried 27 grains which gave 1822fps and the same clean barrel.  I switched powders to 38 grains of IMR 4198, 1980fps, and still had a totally clean barrel.  40 grains 4198 gave 2103fps and a clean barrel.  42 grains gave 2178fps, the barrel was still spotless, but the accuracy really went to pot so I stopped there.

The 45 Colt is one of my favorite cartridges, so this had to be on the list of rounds to test.  I used a 235gn plain based flat point bullet and 7.2 gains of 800X.  In my 5.5” Bisley I got 759fps.  I tried this load in a 24” Rossi M92 which gave 952fps and both guns had spotless barrels afterwards.

I have one of the 6.5” Ruger Bisleys in 480 Ruger and tried the Lee 325 bullet with 12 gains of Unique, 1150fps, and 22 grains of Herc 2400, 1268fps.  Both the light and heavy loads gave a totally clean barrel.

My last gun to test was an old Win M94 in 30-30.  For this I used the gas checked 165 grain revised Ranch Dog bullet from a Lee 6 cavity mold sized to .310”. 

14 grains of Herc 2400 gave 1594fps, with a useable group, and a totally clean barrel.  I pushed the loads up to 18 grains and got 1879fps, but the best accuracy was with the 14 grain load.

I have it up on my Website: http://lsstuff.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=48&zenid=dbf8e9f1181198966913ce3589771f5d

And Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/322400207769?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Let me know if you have any questions.  IdahoBronco@aol.com

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Here is some more deatils for more details on NOE 411-251WFN GC in the 405 Win.

Mine is the Winchester Teddy Roosevelt M95. 
My eyes are getting older and it’s getting harder to keep the sights and target in a crisp clear picture, so I put a peep sight on it.  This helps, but the targets aren’t the best in the world.  I’m sure it would do much better with a scope.
Here is the target from the 405 Win with the NOE 411-251WFN GC sized to .413″, seated to 2.966″, loaded with 38 grains of IMR 4198 and a Win LR primer, which gave 1980fps. 
The distance from the front porch of the shop to the back stop is 75yds.

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I tried pan lubing some of the NOE 411-251WFN GC bullets.
I seated gas checks, then set a few in a small teflon coated bread pan, poured lube in until it covered the lube grooves.

I let it sit for about 45 min at room temp, until the lube had cooled to room temp. I turned it over and tapped it on my hand and the block fell right out.

I pushed the bullets from the top to the bottom and they came right out with the grooves filled nicely.

So it looks like it will pan lube fairly easily.

I will work on getting some pound blocks poured off and put on the web store. PM me with what you’re looking for and I’ll try to make it happen.

[lar45]

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Here is the 411-251WFN loaded with 27 grains of Herc 2400, which gave 1822fps.
I’ve ordered some smaller peep inserts and will shoot these again to see if that helps some.

[lar45]

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Doc44 suggested that I try a diamond target instead of the round ones.
This is 27gns of Herc 2400( 1822fps ) and the NOE 411-251WFN sized to .413″ seated to 2.995″

I’m thinking of putting a scope on it for testing. Will the Weaver side mount fit with the factory drilled holes?
http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/429204/weaver-side-mount-scope-base-3a-gloss?cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Optics+-+Scope+Rings%2C+Bases%2C+Mounting+%26+Accessories-_-Weaver-_-429204&gclid=CPm_zfSW6NECFU6ewAodP0kMIg

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Wow, that’s great!  That is just what I’ve been wanting, but I just stocked up on Carnauba Red, so I guess it will be a while until I order some Blue.

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I just started casting a few months ago and while I started out with alox/JPW I’ve since switched over to carnauba blue.  I am dip lubing for now and no troubles using it this way. 

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I recovered a fired 432-278 WFN from the dirt today.  This one was fired though my Rossi 92 with 21gr H110 and passed through a groundhog about 50yds away.  I was surprised to see how much lube was left on the bullet!  The Rossi shows no signs of leading either. 

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