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    georgehajduk
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      I’ve been patiently waiting for RD 7.62×39 mold to come out but learned RD is/was designing a mold for the 300 Savage, think it was called TLC310-150-RF. For some reason I can’t pull up the design between the two molds and compare them so my question is how close are they? I do have a Savage 99 in 300 Savage and it’s on the fat side .310. Also I just purchased a CZ 527 in 7.62×39 that slugs out at .3115. Just trying to decide which two would be the best molds to get? Thanks!

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      andrewjudd
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        G’Day
                I use a NOE 314 640 in my 7.62 CZ 527 with excellent results. Heres the link to my thread on cast boolits http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?256016-Alternative-use-for-NOE-314-640  This is a mold that Swede should run again as it’s proving to be a ripper and I reckon that it would sell OK.
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        mikehupp
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          I’m still kicking around a bullet for the 300 Savage. Most of my .30 bullets are 165 or heavier and it seems the 300 Savage has a reputation for preferring a lighter bullet. I’d like to see what Ranch Dog and Swede come up with along these lines.

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          Ranch Dog
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            Greetings fellows, my ranch work and my own forums have kept me jumping through the summer and I should be getting getting caught up in the next few days with my chores as my winter food plots are in the ground. I also just retired from flying the airliners so I’m going to really work on my 7.62×39 bullet during November. SwedeNelson and I just spoke about the design and I’m getting him all the drawings I’ve made but I have told him to wait a couple of weeks until I get it shot out in my Savage 10FCM, Ruger Mini 30, and Zastava M85.

            A couple of notes about the bullet. It has a .303″ bore rider nose to accommodate the early Ruger Mini-30s & M77s or my Savage 10FCM that have a .308 groove. Here is what the design looks like.

            TLC313150RF_bullet_sketch.jpg

            Here is the bullet ready to go out of my Savage 10FCM. As mentioned above this rifle has a .308 groove but I’m sizing the bullet at .313″ to fill the generous amount of freebore cut into the 7.62×39 chamber. The .303″ bore rider just allows for the steeper leade on the .308 groove rifles.

            TLC313150RF_10FCM_Alox_01.jpg

            The one thing that I am certain of is that this is not a 300 Savage bullet. I had thought that I could size it down to .310, because of the bore rider nose, but what happens when you size this deep is that you end up with no lube grooves even though I designed them deep for this purpose. As a bullet is sized you are forming it under pressure, swagging to a certain level, and the Micro Bands fill. The bullet body is also a bit long for the short neck of the 300 Savage.

            With this in mind, I designed a TLC310-150-RF specifically for the 300 Savage. It is just a paper tiger at this point as my summer has left me little time for it.

            TLC310150RF_bullet_sketch.jpg

            This looks like it will be a good fit, the bullet body is contained within the case neck, and the overall length would be within the confines of the Savage 99 magazine. I own a Savage 110 chamber in 300 Savage and think this would work. Not sure what I’m going to do with it at this point; bullet or rifle.

            CBD_screenshot.jpg

            I should start shooting the TLC313-150-RF out next week. I would like to kill a deer with it as well.

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            mikehupp
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              300 Savage design looks good, any field test opportunities? As mentioned on the stirring things up thread I’m very interested in this bullet. Congrats on your retirement!

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              mikehupp
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                Michael, I’d be happy to test a few 300 Savage boolits in my 99. I’m about 4-5 hours north of you so could possibly get together for some testing.

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                Ranch Dog
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                  Probably get something worked out. Later today or tomorrow, I will have some more information about my 300 Sav, 308 Win, and 7.62×39 designs. I’ve refined the 300 Sav and 7.62×39 over what Lee cut and have the design work done for my other “short necked” 30 caliber, the the 308 Win, ready. I taken what I’ve learned from the first two and think the 308 will be a good one.

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                  georgehajduk
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                    Michael, I’d be happy to test a few 300 Savage boolits in my 99. I’m about 4-5 hours north of you so could possibly get together for some testing.

                    When you have a chance post your range report here. I also have a Savage 99 in 300 Savage and curious how it turns out.

                    Maineguide

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                    steveleonard
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                      What diameter does the TLC313-150-RF boolit drop from the mold at? Are there plans for a mold with regular lube grooves in the future? I’m not sure I trust a tumble lubed boolit at velocities up to maybe 1900 FPS. Also, how would this boolit work if shooting it from an SKS.

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                      georgehajduk
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                        What diameter does the TLC313-150-RF boolit drop from the mold at? Are there plans for a mold with regular lube grooves in the future? I’m not sure I trust a tumble lubed boolit at velocities up to maybe 1900 FPS. Also, how would this boolit work if shooting it from an SKS.

                        At the momment I have three Ranch Dog molds. Out of the three, the TLC359-190-RF gets used the most. Shot them through three Marlin 336 35 Remington (two micro-grove and one Ballard rifling) with no traces of leading after an afternoon at the range and the velocities are around mid 2250 f.p.s through the chrony.

                        My hunting partner loves this bullet in his custom built Mauser 98 in 35 Whelen and has killed a few deer and one black bear with it. The fastest we’ve pushed it to get good accuracy and no leading is just shy over 2700 f.p.s but anything after that it heads south really quick.

                        Maineguide

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                        Ranch Dog
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                          What diameter does the TLC313-150-RF boolit drop from the mold at? Are there plans for a mold with regular lube grooves in the future? I’m not sure I trust a tumble lubed boolit at velocities up to maybe 1900 FPS. Also, how would this boolit work if shooting it from an SKS.

                          I’ve been shooting Micro-Bands lubed with liquid Alox at velocities up to 2500 FPS and pressures, with a water quenched Lyman #2 alloy, to 48.0 KPSI. I’ve been shooting these types of bands and lube for a decade, about 12,000 to 15,000 bullets a year. I won’t shoot anything else.

                          The trick with the Micro-Bands is to use at least 2% tin with wheelweights for complete definition of the design.

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                          mikemaffucci
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                            I can’t seem to find this mould (313 for 7,62×39) in the NOE catalog.

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                            georgehajduk
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                              I can see them in the .308-.311 category.

                              http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=30&sort=2a&page=14

                              Maineguide

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                              mikemaffucci
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                                OK-found it.

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