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Ranch Dog
Last year I started working on reloading references for the NOE bullet designs, it has gone slower than expected because of the limits of my time but also because I needed to come up with templates that would make the Load Note sheets consistent across all the types of designs and contain as much information as possible for the bullet caster. Al and I think that we have a good format that addresses as many considerations as possible when generating the data so it is time to get started. A quick look at his store’s pages confirms exactly what an undertaking this will be so rather than work from A to Z, I thought I would ask as to what the immediate need of NOE’s customer base is concerning the information to get your bullets out the barrel.
In order to understand how the suggested loads are generated and how the pages are formatted, please read: Pressure Notes.
Here is what the formatted Load Note pages look like and how the information is presented: 378-275 H&H Mag
If you recommend a bullet design, please include what cartridge you using with the design.
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amranch
Just a question…
The 358-135-FN, should it be used with the same load data as the SC357-135-RF?Let me look at it as soon as I can. Might be Monday morning.
I’m really sorry I overlooked this, been pretty busy. I checked it out today and I think I will run it. The bullets are not similar. It will be next week as I have some family coming today through Tuesday and I need a bit of quiet time to run these sheets.
I have a 360-230rf rg with PB and GC cavities that I would like to try in 35 rem. out of an older type marlin 336. would this be possible or too long. would probably be using the PB. Dont think velocity would warrant GC. most of our shots where we hunt are less than 50 yrds.
It should work as long as your Marlin 336 can accommodate a 2.336″ COAL with this nose profile. Might be close. Will run it next week as well.
birgendekeyser
Hi Ranch Dog,
Yesterday I was able to shoot my webley thanks to your load notes using 454-250-SWC (TK-HB).
The result was not good at all as I quit shooting after 4 shots as 3 of them came bouncing back out of the bullet trap with a vengeance at 25 meters! (Using a max load of 1,5gr Accurate solo 1000)
I believe the max pressure that has been used in quickload of 11.7Kpsi is to low as the standard pressure for .455 Webley MKII is 13Kpsi.
Other signs where:
– no recoil at all
– cases covered with sooth
– a lot of unburned powderI have read the “pressure notes” provided with the load notes and I understand why there is a “safety zone”, can you create new load data using 13Kpi and discard the previously made ones?
Have a great time with your family!
Kind regards,
Birgenmicaelnetz
Update!
Load Notes Posted:
- [*]358-135-FN[*]454-250-SWC-TK-HB 455Webley MkII[/list]
Find at http://www.ranchdogoutdoors.com/data
Load Notes Pending:
- 360-230-RF 35 Rem[/list]
Just a reminder, I normally can only generate one Load Note sheet a day.Check at http://www.ranchdogoutdoors.com/data to see if the notes you are looking for have been posted. If not, make a specific request via a post using the bullet ID profile and cartridge. It will be added to the back of the list. Custom data; specific powder requests, cartridges not in my database, and bores not within .003″ of the bullet’s design diameter, cannot be provided. Data is generated within the confines of templates, please see any Load Notes as a sample of what can be provided.
It is a good idea to bookmark the link above once opened.
Please remember that this data is for NOE’s and RDO’s use. Your use of our Load Notes is at your own risk and only meant for a comparison against other sources.
Hi Ranch Dog,
Yesterday I was able to shoot my webley thanks to your load notes using 454-250-SWC (TK-HB).
The result was not good at all as I quit shooting after 4 shots as 3 of them came bouncing back out of the bullet trap with a vengeance at 25 meters! (Using a max load of 1,5gr Accurate solo 1000)
I believe the max pressure that has been used in quickload of 11.7Kpsi is to low as the standard pressure for .455 Webley MKII is 13Kpsi.
Other signs where:
– no recoil at all
– cases covered with sooth
– a lot of unburned powderI have read the “pressure notes” provided with the load notes and I understand why there is a “safety zone”, can you create new load data using 13Kpi and discard the previously made ones?
Have a great time with your family!
Kind regards,
BirgenI have deleted Webley sheets to avoid any issues. Thanks for the feedback.
Birgen,
I have run the 454-250-SWC-TK-HB 455 Webley MkII data again per your request at 13.1K PSI. It really did not change the loads but a 10th of a grain so I’m not sure what help it will be. Take a look at it if you will and let me know if I should pull the data. Unfortunately, you might need to use another source for you data.
Hi Ranch Dog,
The new load notes you have created for the webley mkII are still at a nominal pressure of 11.7kpsi like the previous version.
I have found information of the french powder supplier Vectan about the webley mkII cartridge I have put it in a attachement.
Webley MKII pressures:
– PROOF LOAD : 1170 bar / 16969 psi
– Max Pressure : 1035 bar / 15011 psi
– Nominal work pressure : 900 bar / 13053 psiI believe you must change the following in the load notes to get the correct data:
At cartridge data section => Pressure Limits =>
– Pmax 13.1 should be 15
– NMP 11.7 should be 13Now the Pmax of the powder data should be at 13Kpsi?
Thanks for your time and effort I really appreciate this!
Birgen
The new load notes you have created for the webley mkII are still at a nominal pressure of 11.7kpsi like the previous version.
Sure enough, I didn’t copy the revision to the server, got it now: http://ranchdogoutdoors.com/data/NOE/PDF/40/454-250-SWC-TK-HB_455Webley_MkII_Rev1.pdf
On the version I just changed the NMP to the PMax of 13.1. I understand what you are say with the data you attached.
Update!
Load Notes Posted:
- [*]360-230-RF 35 Rem[/list]
Find at http://www.ranchdogoutdoors.com/data
Load Notes Pending:
- [/list]
Just a reminder, I normally can only generate one Load Note sheet a day.Check at http://www.ranchdogoutdoors.com/data to see if the notes you are looking for have been posted. If not, make a specific request via a post using the bullet ID profile and cartridge. It will be added to the back of the list. Custom data; specific powder requests, cartridges not in my database, and bores not within .003″ of the bullet’s design diameter, cannot be provided. Data is generated within the confines of templates, please see any Load Notes as a sample of what can be provided.
It is a good idea to bookmark the link above once opened.
Please remember that this data is for NOE’s and RDO’s use. Your use of our Load Notes is at your own risk and only meant for a comparison against other sources.
brigettecuneo
Hello,
I was looking for load information regarding 2 molds. The noe 311-230-fn, and the noe 311-247-fn for the 300 blackout.
I was using reloading data I had from my die sets which stated a few different overall lengths. After a few trials I was able to get both boolits styles to cycle properly in my rifle, while seating the boolits in the 2.130-2.150 overal length range for the 311-230-fn boolits. My listed information states an overall length at 2.245, and my test rounds at 2.220 also did not cycle and caused a pretty nasty jam. Rifle had to be completely taken apart to remove the semi chambered round. Even though all rounds were case guaged they still did not go fully into battery. Almost but not enough.
On the noe 311-247-fn, I was casting using the hollow points. They were averaging 227.5 grains prior to powder coating. They were loaded to 2.035 and all cycled excellent.
My main question is about overall lengths and being safe. I did not want to be too deep seated and be unaware of unsafe pressures.
All cases looked fine. No bulges or backed out primers. I was using a light load of 10.9 grains of accurate 5744, if that matters for the data.
Thank you for the help.My main question is about overall lengths and being safe. I did not want to be too deep seated and be unaware of unsafe pressures. All cases looked fine. No bulges or backed out primers. I was using a light load of 10.9 grains of accurate 5744, if that matters for the data.
Yeah, you are taking care of your reloading business by being concerned about the reduced OAL Length and I will get the data out to see what the loads are like. I am going to planting fall/winter food plots for the next couple of days so I won’t be able to get to it until midweek. Sorry about that.
My main question is about overall lengths and being safe. I did not want to be too deep seated and be unaware of unsafe pressures. All cases looked fine. No bulges or backed out primers. I was using a light load of 10.9 grains of accurate 5744, if that matters for the data.
Yeah, you are taking care of your reloading business by being concerned about the reduced OAL Length and I will get the data out to see what the loads are like. I am going to planting fall/winter food plots for the next couple of days so I won’t be able to get to it until midweek. Sorry about that.
Good luck on setting up your winter garden Sir. I am very grateful for your help. No worries on time. Your help is greatly appreciated.
amranch
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